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Locus M · Post by **Locus M** » Fri May 02, 2008 6:02 am

Shy wrote: You're right, your sarcastic remarks and below the radar attacks are a fine point that I have failed to appreciate until now. But now that you have switched from indirect to direct idiotic remarks, I appreciate you more, Idiot. (I don't need an icon for the word)

Whatever Kiddo! Now wipe your nose and run out to play (that your are a hot-shot who knows how a pro makes music...)

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:23 am

jens wrote:
kritikon wrote:
No responses ???

a MBcomp with sc per band? Are you shitting me? If this does what you say it does then its worth the $..

No insult to Vieris...good of him to make one and all that; but as he said - here's one - pretty well just because it was asked for.
It's one of those things that is only there because someone with no common sense thinks there ought to be one. I remember the thread about multiband comps with sidechains. It's complete overkill and unnecessary. Very soon the KvR webmyth will develop that multibands with individual sidechains are what pros use to make that something special. Whereas in truth, even widebands are rarely used with the sidechains. Sidechains aren't that useful. A good mix negates the need for one most times. Yeah, yeah...people will chip in with how useful it is to sidechain the bass with the kick - it's exactly places like KvR that brought into existence the notion that that technique is at all necessary. Once upon a time you just mixed your bass and kick properly and thumping and pumping tracks were made all the time without them. I can just hear in my head all the music that'll be put out soon with sidechained multibands...you thought RMSs of -8dBFS were too loud? Ain't heard nuthin' yet. We'll have square wave tunes with all individual bands square waved. Then we'll need 8 bands, then that won't be enough and we'll need 1024 band FFT based sooperdooper megamultibands with a sidechain on every single channel, that can be crosschained to every other channel.

Y'know...we're heading closer and closer to white noise being called music.

you are a bit narrow-minded here - a sidechain can not only be used for ducking but also for modifying the control-signal with filters, distortion, etc.

Good to hear that at least one person here is not stuck in the "I have no creativity left!" hole.

A multiband with separate sidechain for each band is an awesomely powerful creative tool! How can anybody not understand that? Or perhaps some older people are still stuck in the thought that compressors are just dynamics tools for solving problems? I will never understand this..

Jens..

!!

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:25 am

@Vieris:

Would it be possible to include a Feed-Back version of the multiband as well? I think it might sound pretty sweet!

Cheers!
bManic

vieris · Post by **vieris** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:33 am

bmanic wrote:@Vieris:

Would it be possible to include a Feed-Back version of the multiband as well? I think it might sound pretty sweet!

Cheers!
bManic

Crap i saw that coming. might just happen..

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:33 am

bmanic wrote: A multiband with separate sidechain for each band is an awesomely powerful creative tool! How can anybody not understand that? Or perhaps some older people are still stuck in the thought that compressors are just dynamics tools for solving problems? I will never understand this..

Jens.. !!

Cheers!
bManic

I realized I also have to give some practical examples of why this particular feature is so powerful, even in the traditional "compressors are just tools for solving problems" mind set. Think about this:

You can now, with the help of a modular host, chose exactly how much and from what part of the stereo spread, a band reacts to the incoming signal. This is VERY useful for mastering where you might want to make sure that the lowest band only reacts to the mid/mono information and is completely separated from the rest of the bands (unlinked). You can then route your own chosen mix of mid/side information to the rest of the bands and also choose how much you want them to be linked (cross feed of input signal).

The creative possibilities are enormous:

You can now make drum busses/loops/whatever pump in a never before heard way by making the bass stay steady (not reacting to the element of input that makes the compressor "pump") but instead make only the mid-band or top-band do that 'breathing' pump thingy. I'm sure this can be dialed in to sound awesome!

Anyhow, it boggles my mind that so few see the potential here..

I'll definitely add some audio examples and explanations to the "all about compressors thread", as soon as I have had some time playing around with this beast.

Cheers!
bManic

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:37 am

Actually, b, I think there was only one guy that didn't like the idea. Seems like everyone else dug it.

Cordelia · Post by **Cordelia** » Fri May 02, 2008 7:37 am

bmanic wrote:
jens wrote: you are a bit narrow-minded here - a sidechain can not only be used for ducking but also for modifying the control-signal with filters, distortion, etc.
Good to hear that at least one person here is not stuck in the "I have no creativity left!" hole.

A multiband with separate sidechain for each band is an awesomely powerful creative tool! How can anybody not understand that? Or perhaps some older people are still stuck in the thought that compressors are just dynamics tools for solving problems? I will never understand this..

Jens.. !!

Cheers!
bManic

Sidechains are fun. Remember the first time you figured out how to set up your hardware compressor/gate so you could send drum machine hi-hat rhythms to your guitar power chords?

I don't know that I'll need this, and after a frustrating day of routing in FL and Reaper, don't know if I can justify the download, but I appreciate the concept and the freeness of the gift.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:08 am

bduffy wrote:Actually, b, I think there was only one guy that didn't like the idea. Seems like everyone else dug it.

Aah! I think you are right! Hehehe.. I do recall more people thinking that the sidechain per band was a more of a "gimmick" tho. No?

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:10 am

Cordelia wrote: I don't know that I'll need this, and after a frustrating day of routing in FL and Reaper, don't know if I can justify the download, but I appreciate the concept and the freeness of the gift.

Without something like bidule or energyXT, it will be very frustrating. Hence I mentioned the modular host as a tool.

It ain't even possible within FL Studio as far as I know.

Cheers!
bManic

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:15 am

Hskovlund wrote:
Shy wrote: You're right, your sarcastic remarks and below the radar attacks are a fine point that I have failed to appreciate until now. But now that you have switched from indirect to direct idiotic remarks, I appreciate you more, Idiot. (I don't need an icon for the word)
Whatever Kiddo! Now wipe your nose and run out to play (that your are a hot-shot who knows how a pro makes music...)

You're a piece of work, Mr. "I have a Ph.D in psychology". Whoever you paid to give you that diploma should be put in prison.

dreaddd · Post by **dreaddd** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:23 am

thx for your pluggies Vieris

Peace out

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:43 am

bmanic wrote:
bduffy wrote:Actually, b, I think there was only one guy that didn't like the idea. Seems like everyone else dug it.
Aah! I think you are right! Hehehe.. I do recall more people thinking that the sidechain per band was a more of a "gimmick" tho. No?

Cheers!
bManic

You're probably thinking of me. I kind of chimed in with Kritikon about being weary of the sidechaining-thing; and I did say that I probably wouldn't have a use for it, but disagreed with the latter as I was certain others, like you, definitely could!

I mean, this is the ultimate in getting over self-imposed limitations in software! I mean, why the hell not? That's something I've been growing tired of too...since you pointed it out!

Locus M · Post by **Locus M** » Fri May 02, 2008 9:07 am

Shy wrote: You're a piece of work, Mr. "I have a Ph.D in psychology". Whoever you paid to give you that diploma should be put in prison.

Yeah, and here are lots of case material around here, for instance guys who consequently go to threads were they can puke over something instead of going to threads about anything they like even though they have the choice at a daily basis. Real interesting!

And thanks again Vieris, I will check this out on some material tonight!

deaf dunderkwac · Post by **deaf dunderkwac** » Fri May 02, 2008 9:14 am

this works/sounds very good but for me it's a bit difficult to set up the bands using the cursor.

Thanks for the nice multi-band!

vieris · Post by **vieris** » Fri May 02, 2008 9:17 am

deaf dunderkwac wrote:this works/sounds very good but for me it's a bit difficult to set up the bands using the cursor.

Thanks for the nice multi-band!

Press Ctrl+mouse drag to fine tune..

Multi Comp-1 (Multi-Band Compressor with Side-Chain)