the general public recording music

[androidlove]

Whether or not having every shmo making music is a good thing, is another topic.

really, that's debatable? would you mind starting a thread inquiring about this? i can't imagine that getting the tools for expression into everyone's hands a bad thing

hmmm ... so you want to tell me it's a desired thing to have to dig through millions of crap productions flooding the market, just to find a bareley good one?to me at least thatone is a considerable point ...
you know, there was a time when art was strongly connected with skills ...
and by the fact everyone can do it now, regardless if he's skilled whatsoever, having actually learned by experience, the output gets kinda washed out drastically ...
i'm not bashing, just saying that the coin always has 2 sides ...

of course everyone has a right

the general public recording music is a beautiful thing

music is in the ear of the beholder.

let the buyer beware

[P.T.]

The general public can buy art supplies and make paintings and drawings, but they don't go flooding internet sites with their stuff.

Music is different. Everyone wants to show off what they made.
For some reason they think it is cool.

I think that eventually there will be websites that will take uploads of music and only keep what they consider to be good according to their taste.
Different sites will have different taste and styles.
You will then find the ones that you like and there will be less to wade through in order to find things that you like.

Some people are offended by the idea of a gatekeeper, but how else do you filter out the garbage.

I have given up trying to find interesting music because of the flood of amateur, talentless work that is out there.

[Bonteburg]

My take is simple:
Creation of art should be/is for everybody, cream will rise to the top, case closed.

[Muff Wiggler]

there was a time when art was strongly connected with skills ...

uh, no offense but that's a pretty weak argument in this context.

There's always been a time where the paintings that get hung in galleries and remembered by the public are strongly connected with skill. This is hardly to say that only the skilled possess paintbrushes and canves.

In fact, were it not for the widespead availability of materials for which to paint, even amongst the poor and unskilled, many of the great works would have never come into fruition.

And this is all still ignoring the fact that a great many of the groundbreaking, inventive & pivotal moments in the history or art (oh and hey science as well) were hailed as unskilled crap and heresy when their were first unveiled.

I mean, I like to disagree with androidlove probably more than you do, but c'mon


edit: oops P.T. pretty much made the same point

[metamorphosis]

My take is simple:
Creation of art should be/is for everybody, cream will rise to the top, case closed.

You know, hot air also rises.
m@

[brok landers]

i can't agree ...
in a media-dictated world like we live in, media decides what has a chance and what not ... you can puplish your stuff all over the net, if you're not extremly lucky, like some rare cases proove, you won't gain anything ... you won't be reaching/convincing the mass, as the mass will only accept what is hyped by any big platform (viva, mtv, tv in general) ...
so:
cream should rise to the top, but cream means shit if you don't follow the rules of the media industry ... on top of that fact there's the problem that, as anyone can make music now, no matter how crappy it is, there's and unbelievable flood of music, which heavily complicates the "breakthrough" ...
and, to reply on "creation/art should be/is for everybody":
no. definateley not.
though everyone tries to be an artist, just a few of them _are_ most of the others are just penetrating, powered by shameless overestimation of their own capabilities ...
don't get me wrong, i don't want to come off like an ass, but that's the sad truth ...
that's also one of the reasons why the industry went down (besides constantly underesthimating the power of the internet and some other bullshit, like constantly thinking that a product has to be dumb, so the dumb user understands it) ...
hard, but true ...
nietsche once said:
if art is beeing reduced to a product only, it's capabilites is been killed instantly ...
and this is happening right now ...

btw: cream _will_ rise to the top???
yeah, the same way as the poor good man always wins ...
or what do you think, why is bush the president of the united states? why is there a september 11th? why is there still war in iraq? why do the rich get richer and the poor get more poor? [/end sarcasm]
if you think about it, you just have to admit that this is just wishful thinking, nothing more ...

[Hink]

I think the notion of having to "dig through millions of crap productions flooding the market" is fundamentally flawed. I grew up listening to non top 40 music, it was by word of mouth that introduced me to music I liked. Gary Moore is a great example, with the exception of when "Still got the Blues" came out nearly back in the late 80s early 90s I never heard him on the radio. That exposure was limited as well, yet long before then I had many of his albums.

Today it isn't much different imo except not as much is getting shoved down your throat by "the music industry" (unless you want it to be like watching American idol ). There's a lot more music by unknowns to dig through, but there are more than one person doing it and far better ways spreading the word about such bands.

So when someone adopts the position that you have to dig through or wade through crap I find it not very well thought out. As Bonteburg says the cream still rises to the top and I think more efficiently so.

[debra1rlo]

What's wrong with General Public recording some more music? I thought Mirror In The Bathroom was a cool song. Why ya gotta be hatin'?

[brok landers]

What's wrong with General Public recording some more music?

nothing ... it's just that this has natural consequences which we have to live with ... you cannot change it, it is like it is ... some things are dying, some things are changing, that's life, and sometimes it _is_ a bitch ...

[Muff Wiggler]

sorry Brock, maybe I'm confused

are you talking about people recording music at home, or people publishing it on the net looking for exposure? If the latter, I can certainly understand what you mean, but it doesn't have anything to do with keeping tools out of everyone's hands. i still don't think creation needs to be linked with skill, the more creators, the more likely one with skill arises. i do think mass acceptance and fame has always been connected somewhat will skill of some sort and I don't think the internet has changed this in any way.

[Hink]

What's wrong with General Public recording some more music? I thought Mirror In The Bathroom was a cool song. Why ya gotta be hatin'?

it's not hating, the problem is that a lot of people chose their career paths based on the model of the music industry of the latter half of last century. That model has/is crashing and burning. So the industry gets further split, to some people the new model opens smaller doors, but for other people it slams big doors shut.

I'm sure many people here wanted to own a studio, do all kind of audio production work and 20 years ago the market wasn't flooded with producers and also there was more demand for a good studio. There was a time where having a good production studio meant a big room(s) for reverb and gear that price wise was beyond the common man.

Also many of us had dreams of being rock stars, stadiums and tour buses. Have gold records on the walls and drive really cool cars. But that model has changed as well, sure both models still exist but the climate has changed.

Change almost always creates fear and yet it also seems that change opens doors and looking back becomes nostalgic. It's kind of funny how we as human manage to recreate that formula over and over. It's also the ones who learn to adapt to or create new models that prosper.

[herodotus]

It's not like the old guardians of the sacred music mills (i.e. industry A and R men and the like) maintained high standards.

Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini is crappier than 98% of the stuff I have heard on MySpace. So is REO Speedwagons Keep on Lovin You. And let's not forget the collected works of Tiny Tim.

Lots and lots of bad music has been made by serious pros.

And lots of good music has fallen through the gaping holes in the nets that the industry uses to fish for talent.

This music can now be recorded in basement studios where it can live for posterity instead of being lost and forgotten by an industry that controlled the means of making recordings. How can this be a bad thing?

i can't agree ...
in a media-dictated world like we live in, media decides what has a chance and what not ... you can puplish your stuff all over the net, if you're not extremly lucky, like some rare cases proove, you won't gain anything ... you won't be reaching/convincing the mass, as the mass will only accept what is hyped by any big platform

Who cares about the mass? Why does reaching the mass matter?

Why does a musician have to be a big name celebrity to be considered successful?

If a poet, even a big name poet, gets a dedicated public of 5,000 people he considers himself lucky. The original print runs on Joyce's Ulysses were 500 copies.

You can get that many listens in a day these days. From people all over the world.

Again, why is that bad?

[androidlove]

I mean, I like to disagree with androidlove probably more than you do, but c'mon

set em up, watch em fall

i don't want to come off like an ass

it's hard, isn't it?

deb, maybe they didn't get yer joke because they couldn't link the beat with general public

[androidlove]

some think "professional" art is a necessity. if yer gonna package art and sell it, it's at the whims of market forces. it deserves no "quality" control like say.....food

[zircon]

The general public can buy art supplies and make paintings and drawings, but they don't go flooding internet sites with their stuff.

DeviantArt?

Sorry, couldn't resist.