ASIO4ALL and Vista- anyone else with BSOD problems?

[koolkeys]

Wow, sorry I didn't see the last two posts. Don't know how I missed them.

Have you tried the Vista in-box HD audio driver, as I suggested?

It's definitely an issue with ASIO4ALL

If a piece of user mode software - runnable even from the "guest" account - can bring down your system in this way, you can be absolutely sure that such a system has quite a bit of a problem somewhere else.

Have you tried to disable automatic restart at BSOD and document the actual BSOD information? This might give you a hint as towards the faulting kernel mode component - and only kernel mode components can be causing a BSOD.

I've tried the in box driver, and don't get any crashes. However, it seems that in Sonar I can't use it because I never get any sound. It always gives me the popup box that says the driver is either in use or doesn't support the current sample rate and asks me if I want to disable or use anyways.

It's not an issue with faulty hardware, at least not something that broke. This is my THIRD laptop of this model(returned for structural reasons, not internal or software) and every single one gave me crashes. I'm not sure exactly what else would help here, but it's something with this particular setup of hardware that seems to crash with ASIO4ALL.

I will say that for some reason Kontakt WILL work with WDM drivers, giving me sound and all, and has never crashed. Very odd. But Sonar, I can't get sound out of it with them. Nothing else is running, and it's straight after a re-boot. Anything else that could be taking the sound away from Sonar?

Sorry, I'm just frustrated. The only times I get crashes is when I invoke something that uses ASIO4ALL, and especially when changing settings in ASIO4ALL. I know that is pretty vague, but that's why I draw this conclusion. I've got to run some errands, but after that I'll be willing to try anything to track this down. I just want to use lower latency on my laptop. Thanks.

Brent

[koolkeys]

Grrrrr, now I can't get sound out of Kontakt either with in box drivers. What the heck is going on here? My other laptop never gave me any issues of any kind. This sucks.

Brent

[koolkeys]

I want to try the NON HP Realtek drivers. Now, the Realtek site says that if the vendor has drivers that you should use those because they may have "features" that the vendor put on that wouldn't be in the actual Realtek drivers. Is it dangerous to try this anyways?

Brent

[Stupid American Pig]

shouldnt be any worse than yer ASIO4All issues AFAIK it shouldnt hurt a thing to load the REALTEK driver. just back yer system up first and give it a go..

[koolkeys]

Yeah, you're right. The frustrating thing is that I've tried so many things now that I've forgotten exactly how much I've tried and that makes it hard for people to help!

The worse that could happen is I have to use System Restore, or uninstall a driver and reinstall another one, right?

Bren

[Stupid American Pig]

exactly. I would uninstall the HP driver first though...

[BONES]

This won't help but I've had no issues using ASIO4all with my Vista laptop, either with or without SP1.

[koolkeys]

This won't help but I've had no issues using ASIO4all with my Vista laptop, either with or without SP1.

Hmmm, that's what gets me. I've not heard of anyone else having these problems. And I know it's not just this particular computer because it's my third one since the other two had structural issues with the screen casing(a common HP problem). But I had a chance to try it on all three and they all gave problems.

Brent

[pocongcentil]

Hmmm, that's what gets me. I've not heard of anyone else having these problems. And I know it's not just this particular computer because it's my third one since the other two had structural issues with the screen casing(a common HP problem). But I had a chance to try it on all three and they all gave problems.

Brent

I have the same problem. I just bought Samsung Laptop with vista + realtek HD. I have exactly same problem. eve when i open the offline asio4all conf app, it gives BSOD intermittenly (mostlikely).

On a special note: when i first install ASIO4ALL, the ASIO4ALL disabled the output. No matter what i do, it disable it. When i changed something (quality to DVD is one of them) and restart the laptop, i can get output, and it is working. So it looked like its fine and dandy.

But when i opened up the asio4all conf window, i got bsod. sometime i manage to open it, but when i close it or change anything, i got bsod.

i thought you might want to know that you are not the only one

Oh, btw, the default driver doesnot perform addequately, and when i chose direct sound driver, it plays flawlessly, but i don't have any input, so useless. So i need to have asio4all.

thx

[wuschel]

one thing: ASIO4ALL gives me blue screen of death crashes frequently.

Bump!

Even though it is strictly upheld that ASIO4ALL cannot possibly be the root cause of a BSOD (because it contains no kernel mode components), it still can contain workarounds for audio drivers that would normally be unable to drive their way out of a paper bag without the pampering provided.

ASIO4ALL has added some more pampering:

Please try this current engineering release (not really the official 2.9 beta2, but I'm too lazy to edit release labels ATM!)

http://www.asio4all.com/debug/ASIO4ALL_ ... nglish.exe

No BSODs have been reported for the 2.9 beta1 either, but this one may just make it work as opposed to simply not triggering one or the other extremely touchy vendor supplied HD Audio driver into systemicide.

[koolkeys]

Thanks wuschel! I'll be trying this out immediately to see if it helps. I have been using a ToneportGX until there is something more stable on my system. But I'd love to not have to plug things in just to do some basic editing.

I don't know that it's 100% ASIO4ALL at fault, but I haven't had a single BSOD when NOT using it. That includes since my last post here in this thread basically.

I'll post back later after I've tested it.

Brent

[koolkeys]

By the way, what is "Allow pull mode"?

Also, I LOVE the new interface in the control panel, although maybe a tad bit dark.

Brent

[koolkeys]

I've tried it only for a few minutes, but I've changed settings inside and outside of Sonar and let Sonar release the drivers in the background for a media player. So far, rock solid. I will work with it ALL WEEKEND long so I can be sure, but at least so far it's very stable. Knock on wood.

Now, if I could just get the media player to give the driver BACK to Sonar when I minimize it. Inside Sonar, it does have the little light showing that the driver is active again, but I get no sound. So my media player isn't passing it back completely apparently unless I completely close the player.

Brent

[wuschel]

By the way, what is "Allow pull mode"?

Actually, this is explained in The Fine Manual(tm), but, since half of the world (that matters) is reading this forum, I might explain this in some more detail as well. So here we go (trying to use lay mans terms):

• - "WaveRT": New audio driver model in Vista

• - Can operate in two modes: "push-mode" a.k.a. "polling mode" - and "pull-mode" a.k.a. "event mode"

• - Difference is that "push-mode" was documented by MSFT before the initial Vista release, whereas the unwashed masses were only informed about "pull-mode" just short of a whole year after Vista went RTM. ASIO4ALL did support "pull-mode" since the 2.8 beta2, but the implementation was based on divining DDK header files and stuff like that.

• - Maybe as a consequence of this, "pull-mode", even though the technically superior solution, is badly broken, if supported at all, in a number of vendor supplied drivers as well as - seemingly - Vista itself, in certain instances.

• - Last but not least, the current 2.00 Realtek HD audio drivers seem to completely break "pull-mode" and world+dog is having Realtek chips on their stuff, this was time to make "pull-mode" strictly opt-in.

• - The "Allow Pull Mode" box provides the opt-in above.

Also, I LOVE the new interface in the control panel, although maybe a tad bit dark.

I still think GWB is a dangerous idiot, but pointing that out to the world might have just about jumped the shark. Plus, I figured out ways to make the GUI that still is based on standard Windows common controls look a little more different...

Before anyone asks: The new darkish look has got nothing to do with GWB++, but rather with my preference for darkish electro and stuff like this. Time for change, isn' it, anyways?

[Download SOphist]

asio4all and vista don't get me a BSOD, but they never managed to produce any sound either (beyond logic) ... no driver update could solve it. it got to the point when i stopped trying.


edit: Feck me! the latest one got it workin! guess i spoke to early

thanks!