Big Muff VST

[tomg]

take the worst distortion vst you can find,
but it will be better than Big Muff...

you obviously don;t know big muffs, dude...
i;ve used them since about 1970, and for what they do, NOTHING else comes close.

and there isn;t a vst in existance that can even come close/

Well.... I thought it was pretty close..

[vurt]

and surf king (reaktor)

[pinkjimiphoton]

Oh and hey, jeez, someone should really call up David Gilmour and let him know his sound's been total shit since Meddle..

Just out of curiosity here, could you give an example of what you consider to be a good guitar sound?

Listen to the solo in Saturn III:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... id=2833409

The good stuff kicks in about 2:10, and there's a longer solo afterwards that makes about half the track's length.

That's a nice example of good, bassy fuzz with nice sustain, I like it.

But to say that in comparison the guitar tones on Dark Side of the Moon, Animals, and The Wall is "total shit", as opposed to saying "not my taste" is just, well, typical attention-getting provocative punk attitude, and bears little resemblance to objective reality.

Let's face it, punk wouldn't exist without Pink Floyd as a model to differentiate from...Wasn't it Johnny Rotten who arrived to audition for The Sex Pistols with a Pink Floyd Sucks t-shirt?

j, if ya re-read the above post you will see he is talking about meddle on.
pre meddle david used a fuzzface....like hendrix did.
carry on!

[pinkjimiphoton]

Let's face it, punk wouldn't exist without Pink Floyd as a model to differentiate from...

nonsense.

Wasn't it Johnny Rotten who arrived to audition for The Sex Pistols with a Pink Floyd Sucks t-shirt?

And yet the Damned had their second album produced by Nick Mason.

wasn't a lot of Floyd produced by Alan Parsons?

parsons was junior engineer during the DSOTM sessions.

[pinkjimiphoton]

Why not just get the real thing? You can get Big Muffs on eBay for under $50 all day long (the black Soviet ones).

I personally prefer the EHX Double Muff to the Big Muff. They're also cheap.

f**k ya can buy a behringer clone WITH a small stone clone for 50 bux new.
and the circuits are miniaturized enough you could put them in the control cavity of most electric guitars if you wanted to.
but one caveat is their pots suck and aren;t very roadworthy.

[Hink]

take the worst distortion vst you can find,
but it will be better than Big Muff...

I can't even begin to tell you how much I agree with that...much of my "guitar thinking" goes against today's conventional wisdom so it is no surprise that this one does too. Honestly in the 70s and 80s around here no guitar player over the age of 15 that I knew would admit to using one. In fact EH itself was considered by many to be toy makers. I often compare it to Hondo guitars of that era, but bear in mind that when I thought like that I was in my late teens and early 20s. I threw my Big Muff out a window with great glee, these days nostalgia has made EH more than it ever was.

Keep in mind that at one point there fuzz was a new concept and there was not the vast choices we have today for pedals. Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models.

On top of that you had to like fuzz to begin with, as a kid I was of the thought it was the only kind of distortion available for guitar. When I got my first tube amp I finally learned that overdrive was much better for my needs than fuzz.

A lot of people do not know that there was two other versions in the Muff series, the little big muff and I think the other was baby muff or mini muff...I really can't remember but a little googling will find it. It actually had a 1/4" plug coming out of it and you plugged the whole box into your amp jack. I put the guts from one of those in my guitar and it was my first (and worst) pre-amp. The best of the muff series was the little big muff.

I imagine Rene that you could make a fuzz vst better than the any EH in your sleep, unfortunately a lot of people like to romanticise that crap and do not understand that technology has improved distortion for guitars by leaps and bounds since the original Big Muff.

Okay KvR shoot me down now, it always happens when I say this about EH...but back in the day it really wasn't all that

dude, you are SO full of shit!
the tiny box you refer to was a muff fuzz, and it was just an op amp set for eternal gain.

the linear power boosters also had a plug attached...almost the same circuit.

but big muffs were and are used by some of the finest guitarists on the planet...because nothing else sounds like them.

whether punishing a clean toned amp with fuzz, or overdriving a distorted amp, they are equally valid.

if you are a guitarist that knows how to use one, and understands the knobs on your guitar aren;t just there to look pretty, you can get damn near anything out of them, from brittle glassy clean to smooth sustain to out and out pure square wave raunch.

if it's good enough for gilmour, ....nuff said.

well thank you for telling me I'm full of shit...I actually pointed out later in the thread that it was muff fuzz when sickle showed the picture of it. I'm sorry if the way I remember EH from back in the day is different from the way you remember...but then I'm full of shit because I also prefer overdrive to fuzz. I guess I'm wrong in saying that at E.U. Wurlitzer in Boston (the first location upstairs on Newbury street) EH was the cheapest fx in the case. I didn't say that the finest guitarists in the world didn't use them. I said "Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models". That my friend does not make me full of shit.

Until you know me well enough to know that I have a good grasp of how to use a volume control I would appreciate it you talk too me as I talk to others and leave out attacks. I don't like fuzz and I don't like EH, oh and I'm not a Hendrix fan either, also you couldn't give me a Les Paul or most Gibsons, I'm not going to buy a USA Fender either, all that of course means I'm not a real guitarist. Sorry if my going against today's conventional wisdom (as I started out that post saying) offends you. Obviously I'll never be as good as you...but the rock and roll I love was started by going against conventional wisdom...oh and I love Gilmour, but I don't have to use what he uses...I am my own man

[Sickle]

Is that in the Reaktor Library, Sickle?

Nope.

Certain NI Library cockfaces ruined it for the rest of the bunch; I don't upload to the UL anymore.

That makes my shit ultra-l33t.

[Hink]

Let's face it, punk wouldn't exist without Pink Floyd as a model to differentiate from...

nonsense.

Wasn't it Johnny Rotten who arrived to audition for The Sex Pistols with a Pink Floyd Sucks t-shirt?

And yet the Damned had their second album produced by Nick Mason.

wasn't a lot of Floyd produced by Alan Parsons?

parsons was junior engineer during the DSOTM sessions.

I guess you'll eventually read on and see where I corrected myself on that too, though I wasn't aware he ws a junior engineer. You like being right huh? It matters a lot to you doesn't it? I see in this thread where you're quick to point out other peoples errs. Please do not stop doing that to me, you see being wrong often is far more rewarding than being right. Sure being right gives your ego a shot, but it doesn't do much else. Me, I don't mind being wrong, if I'm wrong I learn something new and any day I learn something new I'm better than the day before

[pinkjimiphoton]

take the worst distortion vst you can find,
but it will be better than Big Muff...

I can't even begin to tell you how much I agree with that...much of my "guitar thinking" goes against today's conventional wisdom so it is no surprise that this one does too. Honestly in the 70s and 80s around here no guitar player over the age of 15 that I knew would admit to using one. In fact EH itself was considered by many to be toy makers. I often compare it to Hondo guitars of that era, but bear in mind that when I thought like that I was in my late teens and early 20s. I threw my Big Muff out a window with great glee, these days nostalgia has made EH more than it ever was.

Keep in mind that at one point there fuzz was a new concept and there was not the vast choices we have today for pedals. Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models.

On top of that you had to like fuzz to begin with, as a kid I was of the thought it was the only kind of distortion available for guitar. When I got my first tube amp I finally learned that overdrive was much better for my needs than fuzz.

A lot of people do not know that there was two other versions in the Muff series, the little big muff and I think the other was baby muff or mini muff...I really can't remember but a little googling will find it. It actually had a 1/4" plug coming out of it and you plugged the whole box into your amp jack. I put the guts from one of those in my guitar and it was my first (and worst) pre-amp. The best of the muff series was the little big muff.

I imagine Rene that you could make a fuzz vst better than the any EH in your sleep, unfortunately a lot of people like to romanticise that crap and do not understand that technology has improved distortion for guitars by leaps and bounds since the original Big Muff.

Okay KvR shoot me down now, it always happens when I say this about EH...but back in the day it really wasn't all that

dude, you are SO full of shit!
the tiny box you refer to was a muff fuzz, and it was just an op amp set for eternal gain.

the linear power boosters also had a plug attached...almost the same circuit.

but big muffs were and are used by some of the finest guitarists on the planet...because nothing else sounds like them.

whether punishing a clean toned amp with fuzz, or overdriving a distorted amp, they are equally valid.

if you are a guitarist that knows how to use one, and understands the knobs on your guitar aren;t just there to look pretty, you can get damn near anything out of them, from brittle glassy clean to smooth sustain to out and out pure square wave raunch.

if it's good enough for gilmour, ....nuff said.

well thank you for telling me I'm full of shit...I actually pointed out later in the thread that it was muff fuzz when sickle showed the picture of it. I'm sorry if the way I remember EH from back in the day is different from the way you remember...but then I'm full of shit because I also prefer overdrive to fuzz. I guess I'm wrong in saying that at E.U. Wurlitzer in Boston (the first location upstairs on Newbury street) EH was the cheapest fx in the case. I didn't say that the finest guitarists in the world didn't use them. I said "Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models". That my friend does not make me full of shit.

Until you know me well enough to know that I have a good grasp of how to use a volume control I would appreciate it you talk too me as I talk to others and leave out attacks. I don't like fuzz and I don't like EH, oh and I'm not a Hendrix fan either, also you couldn't give me a Les Paul or most Gibsons, I'm not going to buy a USA Fender either, all that of course means I'm not a real guitarist. Sorry if my going against today's conventional wisdom (as I started out that post saying) offends you. Obviously I'll never be as good as you...but the rock and roll I love was started by going against conventional wisdom...oh and I love Gilmour, but I don't have to use what he uses...I am my own man

what makes you full of shit, dude, was the totally holier than thou bullshit you posted.
i don;t really give a f**k if you play or not, or if you prefer overdrive to fuzz.
personally, all i need is a guitar and an amp.
i own and play all kindsa stuff, and the big muff is one of the classic tones of all time.

my issue is you ranting about how shitty it sounds, when apparently you are one of them guys that figures quality equates to price.

sorry you feel you aren;t a "real guitarist" dude.maybe if ya took your head outta your bunghole for a minute you might realize that the very subjectivity you seem to try to cloak yourself with now cuts both ways.

i see you have another thread, "perfect classic rock tone"...

there is no such thing as a perfect tone, dude..
every song is different, every guitar player as well.

but in the pantheon of guitar tones, just because YOU don't like it or some othe fool is trying to be a wise guy , that hardly gives you the right to say something sucks....how many millions of YOUR box have you sold?

the fact comes down rather simply to the fact that in general the only cats that whine about the tone of a big muff haven;t a clue how to run them.

and the muff fuzz you wired into your guitar is NOT a big muff pi...

zappa, gilmour, santana, belew and many others would probably agree.

[vurt]

touch me im sick!

[pinkjimiphoton]

Let's face it, punk wouldn't exist without Pink Floyd as a model to differentiate from...

nonsense.

Wasn't it Johnny Rotten who arrived to audition for The Sex Pistols with a Pink Floyd Sucks t-shirt?

And yet the Damned had their second album produced by Nick Mason.

wasn't a lot of Floyd produced by Alan Parsons?

parsons was junior engineer during the DSOTM sessions.

I guess you'll eventually read on and see where I corrected myself on that too, though I wasn't aware he ws a junior engineer. You like being right huh? It matters a lot to you doesn't it? I see in this thread where you're quick to point out other peoples errs. Please do not stop doing that to me, you see being wrong often is far more rewarding than being right. Sure being right gives your ego a shot, but it doesn't do much else. Me, I don't mind being wrong, if I'm wrong I learn something new and any day I learn something new I'm better than the day before

i don't give a f**k about being right...but you apparently do.
rock on, dude...
lol...funny how ya see supplying simple information as being "right"
if not for your assassination of a ridiculously valid and useful tool, i'd have never even wasted my time.
glad to see your self esteem is so high..lol

[vurt]

f**k me im sick!

[pinkjimiphoton]

touch me im sick!

here vurt, smoke this man..
settle your stomach

[buscemi]

wow guys, I think Frank has something to say about this hullabaloo:

[vurt]

wow guys, I think Frank has something to say about this hullabaloo:

who gives a f**k what he says? hes dead.