Big Muff VST

[Hink]

take the worst distortion vst you can find,
but it will be better than Big Muff...

I can't even begin to tell you how much I agree with that...much of my "guitar thinking" goes against today's conventional wisdom so it is no surprise that this one does too. Honestly in the 70s and 80s around here no guitar player over the age of 15 that I knew would admit to using one. In fact EH itself was considered by many to be toy makers. I often compare it to Hondo guitars of that era, but bear in mind that when I thought like that I was in my late teens and early 20s. I threw my Big Muff out a window with great glee, these days nostalgia has made EH more than it ever was.

Keep in mind that at one point there fuzz was a new concept and there was not the vast choices we have today for pedals. Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models.

On top of that you had to like fuzz to begin with, as a kid I was of the thought it was the only kind of distortion available for guitar. When I got my first tube amp I finally learned that overdrive was much better for my needs than fuzz.

A lot of people do not know that there was two other versions in the Muff series, the little big muff and I think the other was baby muff or mini muff...I really can't remember but a little googling will find it. It actually had a 1/4" plug coming out of it and you plugged the whole box into your amp jack. I put the guts from one of those in my guitar and it was my first (and worst) pre-amp. The best of the muff series was the little big muff.

I imagine Rene that you could make a fuzz vst better than the any EH in your sleep, unfortunately a lot of people like to romanticise that crap and do not understand that technology has improved distortion for guitars by leaps and bounds since the original Big Muff.

Okay KvR shoot me down now, it always happens when I say this about EH...but back in the day it really wasn't all that

dude, you are SO full of shit!
the tiny box you refer to was a muff fuzz, and it was just an op amp set for eternal gain.

the linear power boosters also had a plug attached...almost the same circuit.

but big muffs were and are used by some of the finest guitarists on the planet...because nothing else sounds like them.

whether punishing a clean toned amp with fuzz, or overdriving a distorted amp, they are equally valid.

if you are a guitarist that knows how to use one, and understands the knobs on your guitar aren;t just there to look pretty, you can get damn near anything out of them, from brittle glassy clean to smooth sustain to out and out pure square wave raunch.

if it's good enough for gilmour, ....nuff said.

well thank you for telling me I'm full of shit...I actually pointed out later in the thread that it was muff fuzz when sickle showed the picture of it. I'm sorry if the way I remember EH from back in the day is different from the way you remember...but then I'm full of shit because I also prefer overdrive to fuzz. I guess I'm wrong in saying that at E.U. Wurlitzer in Boston (the first location upstairs on Newbury street) EH was the cheapest fx in the case. I didn't say that the finest guitarists in the world didn't use them. I said "Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models". That my friend does not make me full of shit.

Until you know me well enough to know that I have a good grasp of how to use a volume control I would appreciate it you talk too me as I talk to others and leave out attacks. I don't like fuzz and I don't like EH, oh and I'm not a Hendrix fan either, also you couldn't give me a Les Paul or most Gibsons, I'm not going to buy a USA Fender either, all that of course means I'm not a real guitarist. Sorry if my going against today's conventional wisdom (as I started out that post saying) offends you. Obviously I'll never be as good as you...but the rock and roll I love was started by going against conventional wisdom...oh and I love Gilmour, but I don't have to use what he uses...I am my own man

what makes you full of shit, dude, was the totally holier than thou bullshit you posted.
i don;t really give a f**k if you play or not, or if you prefer overdrive to fuzz.
personally, all i need is a guitar and an amp.
i own and play all kindsa stuff, and the big muff is one of the classic tones of all time.

my issue is you ranting about how shitty it sounds, when apparently you are one of them guys that figures quality equates to price.

sorry you feel you aren;t a "real guitarist" dude.maybe if ya took your head outta your bunghole for a minute you might realize that the very subjectivity you seem to try to cloak yourself with now cuts both ways.

i see you have another thread, "perfect classic rock tone"...

there is no such thing as a perfect tone, dude..
every song is different, every guitar player as well.

but in the pantheon of guitar tones, just because YOU don't like it or some othe fool is trying to be a wise guy , that hardly gives you the right to say something sucks....how many millions of YOUR box have you sold?

the fact comes down rather simply to the fact that in general the only cats that whine about the tone of a big muff haven;t a clue how to run them.

and the muff fuzz you wired into your guitar is NOT a big muff pi...

zappa, gilmour, santana, belew and many others would probably agree.

hollier than thou?...that's the way you're coming across...as far as my having another thread why dont you go read my very first post in that thread. Where did I say anything sucks? You have meall wrong and I wonder if you comprehended my posts at all or just skimmed over them. I take great pains here (and I'm sure most regulars will back me up on this) in stating opinions as my opinions not facts. Again with the attacks, get it straight I'm an adult I grew past that stuff years ago so I hope you understand I lose respect for those who attack me quickly, believe in mature converstations online or in person. You can take you swears and your bunghole comments to those who will give you the power to use them, I simply wont.

BTW you may remember a while back I complimented your music, I'm sure you could play with just a guitar an amp. I thought you werea cool dude until you took my post completely out of context and started on the attack because I don't agree with you (but I'm hollier than thou). See yah

[Hink]

f**k me im sick!

here vurt vape this with me

[buscemi]

who gives a f**k what he says? hes dead.

Apparently nobody in this thread.

[Hink]

who gives a f**k what he says? hes dead.

Apparently nobody in this thread.

he told me his gitar wanted to kill my mother

[pinkjimiphoton]

wow guys, I think Frank has something to say about this hullabaloo:

damn, i miss frank.
listen to him every single day and it never gets old.

[buscemi]

who gives a f**k what he says? hes dead.

Apparently nobody in this thread.

he told me his gitar wanted to kill my mother

That's why he wants folks to shut up and play 'em. Crafty serial killer, he is.

[vurt]

f**k me im sick!

here vurt vape this with me

you oldies need edumacatin!

[vurt]

who gives a f**k what he says? hes dead.

Apparently nobody in this thread.

why would we?
his opinion means no more than anyone elses.
yeah he was a good musician/artist but being that ugly he needed some way of getting chickitas

[Hink]

who gives a f**k what he says? hes dead.

Apparently nobody in this thread.

he told me his gitar wanted to kill my mother

That's why he wants folks to shut up and play 'em. Crafty serial killer, he is.

of all the things I admire about him, his diligence to finishing his songs when confronted with death is very inspirational too me. His life was inspiring and even his death was, I just wish we had a whole more of the former

[pinkjimiphoton]

take the worst distortion vst you can find,
but it will be better than Big Muff...

I can't even begin to tell you how much I agree with that...much of my "guitar thinking" goes against today's conventional wisdom so it is no surprise that this one does too. Honestly in the 70s and 80s around here no guitar player over the age of 15 that I knew would admit to using one. In fact EH itself was considered by many to be toy makers. I often compare it to Hondo guitars of that era, but bear in mind that when I thought like that I was in my late teens and early 20s. I threw my Big Muff out a window with great glee, these days nostalgia has made EH more than it ever was.

Keep in mind that at one point there fuzz was a new concept and there was not the vast choices we have today for pedals. Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models.

On top of that you had to like fuzz to begin with, as a kid I was of the thought it was the only kind of distortion available for guitar. When I got my first tube amp I finally learned that overdrive was much better for my needs than fuzz.

A lot of people do not know that there was two other versions in the Muff series, the little big muff and I think the other was baby muff or mini muff...I really can't remember but a little googling will find it. It actually had a 1/4" plug coming out of it and you plugged the whole box into your amp jack. I put the guts from one of those in my guitar and it was my first (and worst) pre-amp. The best of the muff series was the little big muff.

I imagine Rene that you could make a fuzz vst better than the any EH in your sleep, unfortunately a lot of people like to romanticise that crap and do not understand that technology has improved distortion for guitars by leaps and bounds since the original Big Muff.

Okay KvR shoot me down now, it always happens when I say this about EH...but back in the day it really wasn't all that

dude, you are SO full of shit!
the tiny box you refer to was a muff fuzz, and it was just an op amp set for eternal gain.

the linear power boosters also had a plug attached...almost the same circuit.

but big muffs were and are used by some of the finest guitarists on the planet...because nothing else sounds like them.

whether punishing a clean toned amp with fuzz, or overdriving a distorted amp, they are equally valid.

if you are a guitarist that knows how to use one, and understands the knobs on your guitar aren;t just there to look pretty, you can get damn near anything out of them, from brittle glassy clean to smooth sustain to out and out pure square wave raunch.

if it's good enough for gilmour, ....nuff said.

well thank you for telling me I'm full of shit...I actually pointed out later in the thread that it was muff fuzz when sickle showed the picture of it. I'm sorry if the way I remember EH from back in the day is different from the way you remember...but then I'm full of shit because I also prefer overdrive to fuzz. I guess I'm wrong in saying that at E.U. Wurlitzer in Boston (the first location upstairs on Newbury street) EH was the cheapest fx in the case. I didn't say that the finest guitarists in the world didn't use them. I said "Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models". That my friend does not make me full of shit.

Until you know me well enough to know that I have a good grasp of how to use a volume control I would appreciate it you talk too me as I talk to others and leave out attacks. I don't like fuzz and I don't like EH, oh and I'm not a Hendrix fan either, also you couldn't give me a Les Paul or most Gibsons, I'm not going to buy a USA Fender either, all that of course means I'm not a real guitarist. Sorry if my going against today's conventional wisdom (as I started out that post saying) offends you. Obviously I'll never be as good as you...but the rock and roll I love was started by going against conventional wisdom...oh and I love Gilmour, but I don't have to use what he uses...I am my own man

what makes you full of shit, dude, was the totally holier than thou bullshit you posted.
i don;t really give a f**k if you play or not, or if you prefer overdrive to fuzz.
personally, all i need is a guitar and an amp.
i own and play all kindsa stuff, and the big muff is one of the classic tones of all time.

my issue is you ranting about how shitty it sounds, when apparently you are one of them guys that figures quality equates to price.

sorry you feel you aren;t a "real guitarist" dude.maybe if ya took your head outta your bunghole for a minute you might realize that the very subjectivity you seem to try to cloak yourself with now cuts both ways.

i see you have another thread, "perfect classic rock tone"...

there is no such thing as a perfect tone, dude..
every song is different, every guitar player as well.

but in the pantheon of guitar tones, just because YOU don't like it or some othe fool is trying to be a wise guy , that hardly gives you the right to say something sucks....how many millions of YOUR box have you sold?

the fact comes down rather simply to the fact that in general the only cats that whine about the tone of a big muff haven;t a clue how to run them.

and the muff fuzz you wired into your guitar is NOT a big muff pi...

zappa, gilmour, santana, belew and many others would probably agree.

hollier than thou?...that's the way you're coming across...as far as my having another thread why dont you go read my very first post in that thread. Where did I say anything sucks? You have meall wrong and I wonder if you comprehended my posts at all or just skimmed over them. I take great pains here (and I'm sure most regulars will back me up on this) in stating opinions as my opinions not facts. Again with the attacks, get it straight I'm an adult I grew past that stuff years ago so I hope you understand I lose respect for those who attack me quickly, believe in mature converstations online or in person. You can take you swears and your bunghole comments to those who will give you the power to use them, I simply wont.

BTW you may remember a while back I complimented your music, I'm sure you could play with just a guitar an amp. I thought you werea cool dude until you took my post completely out of context and started on the attack because I don't agree with you (but I'm hollier than thou). See yah

yawn.
yes. holier than thou...absolutely.
reread your post...

"no guitarist over 15 would admit to owning one"
etc etc?

puh-lease.

compared to hondo guitars?

nice.

as for your other thread?
nope, didn't even read it, nor do i really GAF about it.
tone is too subjective to define, as everyone hears it different.
reading the above baloney was enough for me.
nostalgia hasn't made EH more than what it was...
TONE did...
valid, AFFORDABLE ones that didn;t sound like mxr's distortion plus or the kays or other altenatives of the time..

the big muff, the clone theory, doctor q, memory man etc were valid, worthy boxes and some of the most popular of the period, cuz what they did they did well.

and a big part of their appeal was they WERE cheap, you didn;t need to hire roger mayer to build shit for you.


as for my music, if you liked it, glad ya did, i can;t stand most of it.

if you disagree, god bless..

as for attack?
pointing out someone being full of shit when they are full of shit is more of a constructive criticism dude.
ya got some cat asking about how to get a sound with a vst....
and you telling him why the sound he is asking for sucks?

and i am holier than thou?



stick this in your vape, dude...



big muffs rule....so do fuzz faces, and tube screamers, and boss distortions, and crappy plastic kay fuzztones...

they all are perfectly valid for different uses.

i too don't use them anymore, i get what i need with just a guitar and amp too.
once in a while tho, when i NEED that kinda sound, it is just the ticket.

all that said, sorry i hurt your feelings man.
late.

[buscemi]

Well I guess my sincere attempt to soothe the argument a bit was successful but I threw us off-topic even more than we already were!

Edit - spoke too soon.

[pinkjimiphoton]

who gives a f**k what he says? hes dead.

Apparently nobody in this thread.

he told me his gitar wanted to kill my mother

That's why he wants folks to shut up and play 'em. Crafty serial killer, he is.

of all the things I admire about him, his diligence to finishing his songs when confronted with death is very inspirational too me. His life was inspiring and even his death was, I just wish we had a whole more of the former

+100,000,000,000%

wow...we agree?

who'da thunk it...

[Hink]

I can't even begin to tell you how much I agree with that...much of my "guitar thinking" goes against today's conventional wisdom so it is no surprise that this one does too. Honestly in the 70s and 80s around here no guitar player over the age of 15 that I knew would admit to using one. In fact EH itself was considered by many to be toy makers. I often compare it to Hondo guitars of that era, but bear in mind that when I thought like that I was in my late teens and early 20s. I threw my Big Muff out a window with great glee, these days nostalgia has made EH more than it ever was.

Keep in mind that at one point there fuzz was a new concept and there was not the vast choices we have today for pedals. Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models.

On top of that you had to like fuzz to begin with, as a kid I was of the thought it was the only kind of distortion available for guitar. When I got my first tube amp I finally learned that overdrive was much better for my needs than fuzz.

A lot of people do not know that there was two other versions in the Muff series, the little big muff and I think the other was baby muff or mini muff...I really can't remember but a little googling will find it. It actually had a 1/4" plug coming out of it and you plugged the whole box into your amp jack. I put the guts from one of those in my guitar and it was my first (and worst) pre-amp. The best of the muff series was the little big muff.

I imagine Rene that you could make a fuzz vst better than the any EH in your sleep, unfortunately a lot of people like to romanticise that crap and do not understand that technology has improved distortion for guitars by leaps and bounds since the original Big Muff.

Okay KvR shoot me down now, it always happens when I say this about EH...but back in the day it really wasn't all that

dude, you are SO full of shit!
the tiny box you refer to was a muff fuzz, and it was just an op amp set for eternal gain.

the linear power boosters also had a plug attached...almost the same circuit.

but big muffs were and are used by some of the finest guitarists on the planet...because nothing else sounds like them.

whether punishing a clean toned amp with fuzz, or overdriving a distorted amp, they are equally valid.

if you are a guitarist that knows how to use one, and understands the knobs on your guitar aren;t just there to look pretty, you can get damn near anything out of them, from brittle glassy clean to smooth sustain to out and out pure square wave raunch.

if it's good enough for gilmour, ....nuff said.

well thank you for telling me I'm full of shit...I actually pointed out later in the thread that it was muff fuzz when sickle showed the picture of it. I'm sorry if the way I remember EH from back in the day is different from the way you remember...but then I'm full of shit because I also prefer overdrive to fuzz. I guess I'm wrong in saying that at E.U. Wurlitzer in Boston (the first location upstairs on Newbury street) EH was the cheapest fx in the case. I didn't say that the finest guitarists in the world didn't use them. I said "Quickly though Dunlop, Maestro, Morley and MXR made their mark and EH was the "el cheapo" models". That my friend does not make me full of shit.

Until you know me well enough to know that I have a good grasp of how to use a volume control I would appreciate it you talk too me as I talk to others and leave out attacks. I don't like fuzz and I don't like EH, oh and I'm not a Hendrix fan either, also you couldn't give me a Les Paul or most Gibsons, I'm not going to buy a USA Fender either, all that of course means I'm not a real guitarist. Sorry if my going against today's conventional wisdom (as I started out that post saying) offends you. Obviously I'll never be as good as you...but the rock and roll I love was started by going against conventional wisdom...oh and I love Gilmour, but I don't have to use what he uses...I am my own man

what makes you full of shit, dude, was the totally holier than thou bullshit you posted.
i don;t really give a f**k if you play or not, or if you prefer overdrive to fuzz.
personally, all i need is a guitar and an amp.
i own and play all kindsa stuff, and the big muff is one of the classic tones of all time.

my issue is you ranting about how shitty it sounds, when apparently you are one of them guys that figures quality equates to price.

sorry you feel you aren;t a "real guitarist" dude.maybe if ya took your head outta your bunghole for a minute you might realize that the very subjectivity you seem to try to cloak yourself with now cuts both ways.

i see you have another thread, "perfect classic rock tone"...

there is no such thing as a perfect tone, dude..
every song is different, every guitar player as well.

but in the pantheon of guitar tones, just because YOU don't like it or some othe fool is trying to be a wise guy , that hardly gives you the right to say something sucks....how many millions of YOUR box have you sold?

the fact comes down rather simply to the fact that in general the only cats that whine about the tone of a big muff haven;t a clue how to run them.

and the muff fuzz you wired into your guitar is NOT a big muff pi...

zappa, gilmour, santana, belew and many others would probably agree.

hollier than thou?...that's the way you're coming across...as far as my having another thread why dont you go read my very first post in that thread. Where did I say anything sucks? You have meall wrong and I wonder if you comprehended my posts at all or just skimmed over them. I take great pains here (and I'm sure most regulars will back me up on this) in stating opinions as my opinions not facts. Again with the attacks, get it straight I'm an adult I grew past that stuff years ago so I hope you understand I lose respect for those who attack me quickly, believe in mature converstations online or in person. You can take you swears and your bunghole comments to those who will give you the power to use them, I simply wont.

BTW you may remember a while back I complimented your music, I'm sure you could play with just a guitar an amp. I thought you werea cool dude until you took my post completely out of context and started on the attack because I don't agree with you (but I'm hollier than thou). See yah

yawn.
yes. holier than thou...absolutely.
reread your post...

"no guitarist over 15 would admit to owning one"
etc etc?

puh-lease.

compared to hondo guitars?

nice.

as for your other thread?
nope, didn't even read it, nor do i really GAF about it.
tone is too subjective to define, as everyone hears it different.
reading the above baloney was enough for me.
nostalgia hasn't made EH more than what it was...
TONE did...
valid, AFFORDABLE ones that didn;t sound like mxr's distortion plus or the kays or other altenatives of the time..

the big muff, the clone theory, doctor q, memory man etc were valid, worthy boxes and some of the most popular of the period, cuz what they did they did well.

and a big part of their appeal was they WERE cheap, you didn;t need to hire roger mayer to build shit for you.


as for my music, if you liked it, glad ya did, i can;t stand most of it.

if you disagree, god bless..

as for attack?
pointing out someone being full of shit when they are full of shit is more of a constructive criticism dude.
ya got some cat asking about how to get a sound with a vst....
and you telling him why the sound he is asking for sucks?

and i am holier than thou?



stick this in your vape, dude...



big muffs rule....so do fuzz faces, and tube screamers, and boss distortions, and crappy plastic kay fuzztones...

they all are perfectly valid for different uses.

i too don't use them anymore, i get what i need with just a guitar and amp too.
once in a while tho, when i NEED that kinda sound, it is just the ticket.

all that said, sorry i hurt your feelings man.
late.

first you couldn't possibly hurt my feelings, I see where you did misread my post though. I in fact said "Honestly in the 70s and 80s around here no guitar player over the age of 15 that I knew would admit to using one." That's quite a bit different than how you quoted me, My post was subjective and based on my experience, but as you say you don't care. I have no time dude, but fear not my feelings are not hurt...even if you did think you should try and get in a few more shots...I hope one day you'll see I actually agree with you about everything except I don't like fuzz and I never liked EH

[xoxos]

calm down. hink's as "your tone is your tone" as they come.

he's not saying "muffs are stupid," he's saying "believe it or not, from the place i come from, they're not considered a good sounding pedal."

it's called talking story, telling about the world you've seen, to be useful to others who bump into the same kinds of things.. hink's a big guy, he knows it's okay for people to like different things, and he feels safe talking about it, in public

[pandashake]

That makes my shit ultra-l33t.

Damn. I'm not even to l22t status yet. Someday I'll get there...