Big Muff VST

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The French culture minute:

Actually in French, "Pedal" means gay in an offensive way.
Don't ask me why

Ok... Let's just leave this one right there.... It'll confuse the shit out of someone one day..

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back to Big Muffs...I still think the original little big muff was the best sounding of the three...does anyone else agree even slightly?

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back to Big Muffs...I still think the original little big muff was the best sounding of the three...does anyone else agree even slightly?

What three?

There's like over a dozen BM variants. You have the original muff circuit, which has been pointed out is not the Big Muff, but what is now used in the Double Muff. The original Big Muff's were the Triangle followed by the Ram's head:



After that you have the New York release, the Sovteks, and a shitload of variants in between, some using opamps, different transistors, etc, so which 'three' are you talking about here?

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but as I recall (and if I'm wrong tell me) back when they originaly came out, before the russians there were the Big Muff, Little Big Muff and as I was corrected on the Muff Fuzz. I'm talking early to mid 70s here...if I'm wrong then let me correct myself by saying of the ones I tried. Of course I sold the newer ones at three different stores, but they were not exactly thrilling me any more then. I know it's killing you I dont like EH, sorry.

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back to Big Muffs...I still think the original little big muff was the best sounding of the three...does anyone else agree even slightly?

What three?

There's like over a dozen BM variants. You have the original muff circuit, which has been pointed out is not the Big Muff, but what is now used in the Double Muff. The original Big Muff's were the Triangle followed by the Ram's head:



After that you have the New York release, the Sovteks, and a shitload of variants in between, some using opamps, different transistors, etc, so which 'three' are you talking about here?

Not Hink but...

I prefer the original triangle all transistor "Big Muff Pie" with the big ass surplus 200V 0.1uF caps and 1/2W resistors. The later opamp versions were not as noisy but they didn't sound right to me. I eventually switched to a Seamoon Fresh Fuzz but the "Little Big Muff" all transistor is also a favorite. It was a perfect fit for my old plexi.

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The later opamp versions were not as noisy but they didn't sound right to me.

I've got a wicked BM clone based on the rare opamp muffs:

http://www.rawbw.com/~emiller/Euthymia/Pedals/ICBM/

That thing packs a major f**king wallop.

That said, I'm after the Triangle sound as well. Brad/Fu Manchu is building me one with the original parts as we speak.

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I seem to remember something about a cap mod on the little big muff, tbh I thought it was talk. I didn't have a little big muff but someone very close to me did. He had an Ampeg V4B (yeah I know it's a bass amp) on this terrible Sound City 4x10. He said something about a mod but I thought he was just yanking my chain. (he once also told me if you cut the screws close that raise and lower your pick-ups you'll get more sustain)

I know he had a good Mick Taylor, Jeff Beck kind of sound.

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I know it's killing you I dont like EH, sorry.

No, its not, quit flattering yourself. Just cause your my buddy doesn't mean I give a shit about your opinion regarding everything on the planet.



Here's the old Muff's you are talking about:

http://filters.muziq.be/model/eh/mufffuzz

You're right about the main three, if you mean that one, the little Big Muff Pi:

http://filters.muziq.be/model/eh/bigmuff/little

And the main runs of Big Muffs, tho:

http://filters.muziq.be/model/eh/bigmuffpi

Take a look at all those f**king variants; I want one of each!

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The later opamp versions were not as noisy but they didn't sound right to me.

I've got a wicked BM clone based on the rare opamp muffs:

http://www.rawbw.com/~emiller/Euthymia/Pedals/ICBM/

That thing packs a major f**king wallop.

That said, I'm after the Triangle sound as well. Brad/Fu Manchu is building me one with the original parts as we speak.

I've got an original (IC version) around here somewhere so yeah, I know. Nothing against Brad he seems like a great guy but save some money dude. I swear to you that as soon as I start feeling better this fall we'll do a bunch of them for cost +20% I'll even do some kit's. Now that Small Bear will paint and punch the cases it's a snap to do a bunch at a time. We'll get a group thing together and everybody will catch a break. Hink might even buy a EH clone if the price and quality is right.

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I seem to remember something about a cap mod on the little big muff, tbh I thought it was talk. I didn't have a little big muff but someone very close to me did. He had an Ampeg V4B (yeah I know it's a bass amp) on this terrible Sound City 4x10. He said something about a mod but I thought he was just yanking my chain. (he once also told me if you cut the screws close that raise and lower your pick-ups you'll get more sustain)

I know he had a good Mick Taylor, Jeff Beck kind of sound.

That Ampeg V4b is a KILLER guitar amp for down-tempo/sludge stuff; Eyehategod's giutarists used to use em back in the day when I hung out with them.

There's a lot of talk about the Little Big Muffs, and the recent re-release of that pedal. Some swear that its a way heavier sounding circuit. I myself haven't played through one, and I seriously question whether something made today in China and sold by EH for $50 is going to rival a vintage circuit, but this stupid thread ate at me so bad I went and added another Muff to my collection:



Thanks, assholes, I'm trying to save two grand in a week for my 120 watt Matamp head.



I needed a compressor replacement for my CS-2 anyway as I gave mine to a pretty cool kid a couple weeks ago.

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yeah that's the little big muff I remember...

No, its not, quit flattering yourself. Just cause your my buddy doesn't mean I give a shit about your opinion regarding everything on the planet.

that's not what I meant

and yes it was the Muff Fuzz I put in my guitar...I'm really afraid that if I tell people the guitar I put it in was a 72 tele custom I might get run out of dodge. But all I had to do with that was modify the pickguard. The Kahler and humbucker I put in the bridge position were far more destructive

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Does anyone know the difference with the russian version?

The Russian one was the first re-issue of the original American version. The American re-issue came after. The Russian one doesn't have true bypass, just like the original, whereas the American re-issue does. I think the Russian version was done in Russia as a cost savings measure, and it's said to have used cheaper parts, but I can't say for sure. There's a really cool photo history of the Sovtek version here:

http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/ind ... &Itemid=45

WOW - amazing! The EH man is the bomb!

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There's a lot of talk about the Little Big Muffs, and the recent re-release of that pedal. Some swear that its a way heavier sounding circuit.

It's not exactly true. The first versions had a 2 transistor modified Fuzz Face type circuit. The later versions were the exact same circuit as the big muff pie (transistor) minus the tone portion. However they did pad the signal down to compensate for the loss a passive tone control takes out of a signal path but not quite as much, so it's got a touch more over drive.

I needed a compressor replacement for my CS-2 anyway as I gave mine to a pretty cool kid a couple weeks ago.

We can do that.

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careful with them there axes...

"Careful with that ax Eugene"

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and yes it was the Muff Fuzz I put in my guitar...I'm really afraid that if I tell people the guitar I put it in was a 72 tele custom I might get run out of dodge.

Why? Tele's are f**king great guitars. I'll never buy one myself, but I totally acknowledge how good an instrument they are.

Unsane uses those things.

Unsane f**king rocks.

Hard.

They might even use Big Muffs.