Big Muff VST

[pinkjimiphoton]

I seem to remember something about a cap mod on the little big muff, tbh I thought it was talk. I didn't have a little big muff but someone very close to me did. He had an Ampeg V4B (yeah I know it's a bass amp) on this terrible Sound City 4x10. He said something about a mod but I thought he was just yanking my chain. (he once also told me if you cut the screws close that raise and lower your pick-ups you'll get more sustain)

I know he had a good Mick Taylor, Jeff Beck kind of sound.

That Ampeg V4b is a KILLER guitar amp for down-tempo/sludge stuff; Eyehategod's giutarists used to use em back in the day when I hung out with them.

There's a lot of talk about the Little Big Muffs, and the recent re-release of that pedal. Some swear that its a way heavier sounding circuit. I myself haven't played through one, and I seriously question whether something made today in China and sold by EH for $50 is going to rival a vintage circuit, but this stupid thread ate at me so bad I went and added another Muff to my collection:



Thanks, assholes, I'm trying to save two grand in a week for my 120 watt Matamp head.



I needed a compressor replacement for my CS-2 anyway as I gave mine to a pretty cool kid a couple weeks ago.

wow, how the hell do you get ny useful tone out of the deluxe model?
i still have one somewhere, haven;t even looked at it in probably 20 years!
i didn;t like it when they split the distortion from the compression...like ya said, real noisy, but i just thought it lost most of it's charachter in the translation.

[pinkjimiphoton]

yeah that's the little big muff I remember...

No, its not, quit flattering yourself. Just cause your my buddy doesn't mean I give a shit about your opinion regarding everything on the planet.

that's not what I meant

and yes it was the Muff Fuzz I put in my guitar...I'm really afraid that if I tell people the guitar I put it in was a 72 tele custom I might get run out of dodge. But all I had to do with that was modify the pickguard. The Kahler and humbucker I put in the bridge position were far more destructive

i can understand everything but the kahler!!!
why ya wanna park a buic on a nice tele????



















































just kidding, i think teles were probably the best guitars to put kahlers on.
when i met mick ronson back about 76 or so, he had a beautiful tele, wine red, rosewood board, black hardware and a fuckin kahler...first i ever saw, he said it was a prototype, it was a little palm bar kinda thing..he got quite a bit of mileage outta it.

[pinkjimiphoton]

Damn - this thread makes we want to buy some EH stuf too... way to go pink!

I was just checking out MF and I could swear that I saw about six different BMs!

sorry dude!!!!

[pinkjimiphoton]

and yes it was the Muff Fuzz I put in my guitar...I'm really afraid that if I tell people the guitar I put it in was a 72 tele custom I might get run out of dodge.

Why?

uhh .. Because it's blasphemy to f**k up a '72 tele? Just guessing?

Hey - way to go - I sawed the upper bouts off a Vox violin style bass in 1967 and then smashed up a mirror and glued the pieces all over it. I'd cut my hands and tear up my clothes whenever I played it but it definitely got alot of attention! Eventually it fell apart as the compromised body could no longer cary the stress from the strings. Brilliant!

you are a golden god......


you should see my '66 firebird....some folks wanna shoot me for what i did to that poor thing.
but who cares, if it works for ya it works for ya...
and if it don't....


is it art?

[zerocrossing]

You miss my point entirely. Say you're reading this post where someone asks for a VST emulation of a Big Muff fuzzbox. If you think to yourself, "why would anyone want that, I don't like fuzzboxes." Maybe you should open up a new topic and ask, "Why do people like fuzzboxes instead of overdrive?"

When you answer someone's question by saying "you like something horrible" it's rude. It's your right on a public forum, but it doesn't make you any less of a jerk. If you want to post your opinion about anything and there's no thread for it, make your own but don't be a troll.

Mark

I don't like fuzz and I don't like EH

Then why in the world would you reply to a thread where someone is asking for a VST of an emulation of one? Do you just like to type? I think that's the root of why people are angry. No one asked for your opinion of Fuzz in this thread.

Mark

I started out agreeing with a post someone made....jees KvR is getting disturbing lately...I haveas much right to respond as in any thread and if you don't like what I have to say yu can A, not read my post, or B, mute me...but maybe even if I don't like something doesn't mean I wont have something to offer. FWIW one person is angry....count em...1

edit: I also forgot the number one reason why I have the right to respond in any thread...I might learn something new. Just because I haven't liked a company or a tone for years doesn't mean I'm pigheaded enough to say I'll never like it...and in fact I learned a thing or two in this thread

[tomg]

Help me get a good level. It's hard to judge how distortions and the like are going to work outside your own system. Meanwhile I'll add your FRs and we'll try again tomorrow.

Yo,

I'll be glad to help get it set correctly, but I've got to go to work and its going to be a blistering weekend for me, so I won't be able to load up anything until after midnight today when I get home, but I definitely will soon as I get a chance.

V0.3 is up. I made a new thread here for the beta.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=216698

[tomg]

tomg! Sorry! I didn't know that you made this! I tried it last night and I do like it! Thanks for making it and I apologize for not saying thanks sooner! I really appreciate it!

You are forgiven. Sorry for the asshole remark.

[hibidy]

I like the big muff emu's in guitar rig and the line 6 stuff.

Just gotta know how to dial it in

As far as the non-vst (otherwise known as "hardware") , it was a right-of-passage back then to have one. Honestly, I can't remember much other than it was really noisy.

[Hink]

You miss my point entirely. Say you're reading this post where someone asks for a VST emulation of a Big Muff fuzzbox. If you think to yourself, "why would anyone want that, I don't like fuzzboxes." Maybe you should open up a new topic and ask, "Why do people like fuzzboxes instead of overdrive?"

When you answer someone's question by saying "you like something horrible" it's rude. It's your right on a public forum, but it doesn't make you any less of a jerk. If you want to post your opinion about anything and there's no thread for it, make your own but don't be a troll.

Mark

I don't like fuzz and I don't like EH

Then why in the world would you reply to a thread where someone is asking for a VST of an emulation of one? Do you just like to type? I think that's the root of why people are angry. No one asked for your opinion of Fuzz in this thread.

Mark

I started out agreeing with a post someone made....jees KvR is getting disturbing lately...I haveas much right to respond as in any thread and if you don't like what I have to say yu can A, not read my post, or B, mute me...but maybe even if I don't like something doesn't mean I wont have something to offer. FWIW one person is angry....count em...1

edit: I also forgot the number one reason why I have the right to respond in any thread...I might learn something new. Just because I haven't liked a company or a tone for years doesn't mean I'm pigheaded enough to say I'll never like it...and in fact I learned a thing or two in this thread

me a troll, please read my posts first I am no troll and you missed my points entirely by quoting one line of many I posted. Sorry you're not seeing that but anyone that calls me a troll does not know me at all.

[vurt]

Why not just get the real thing? You can get Big Muffs on eBay for under $50 all day long (the black Soviet ones).

I personally prefer the EHX Double Muff to the Big Muff. They're also cheap.

f**k ya can buy a behringer clone WITH a small stone clone for 50 bux new.
and the circuits are miniaturized enough you could put them in the control cavity of most electric guitars if you wanted to.
but one caveat is their pots suck and aren;t very roadworthy.

ive been grabbing a few of the behringer pedals, im looking to closely resemble what i have (i know they wont match) for live use as if my box gets nicked its mebbe a hundred quid of cheap easily replacable stuff then, if i take the bits i have and it goes it would be hundreds of quid and in one or two cases possibly irreplacable now.
does the fuzz one sound ok? like i said im not after perfect emulation im after cheap and cheerful and usable.

[pinkjimiphoton]

http://ele4music.com/vst/efm-muff.zip

Never mind..

Which Muff is this modeled after just so us BM elitists can judge you all the harsher..

ok....let's try and figure us out a workaround...so let me postulate a few common vsts, their connection order, and the odds of pulling off a reasonable facsimile of that big ass wooly tone.

i will give my version of how i think it may be done;
your mileage may vary, but i'll ty to explain why each component of this bloated monstrosity may be necessary.

first off, i'd take that freeware jcm900 plug, and crsnk the gain to about 60%, the volume around 40%. the bass cranked about 60%,mids 100%, and highs around 60-70%.

then i'd add in the signal chain the kjarhaus classic master limiter and squeeze the bacon down to about -18 db or so. that'll even out the peaks and make it kinda muddy and smooth.

then i'd try some kinda bandpass filter, like the poshopi---i have no idea how to spell it.
you guys are far more knowleadgable about plugs tha me...
but i would grab the gui and drag the notch down from way up high on down into the midrange till you find a nice resonant sweet spot rich in second harmonics...

stick a compressor, or maybe (for it's smooth soft overdrive)antress modern la2me,squished and enlarged ...again by ear..and use the output as the master volume of the whole mess..

add a noisegate and play with it a little so the noise ain't too hideous

throw on some reverb and hope for the best.
it may be possible to do with one or two less plugs...

and it may need a touch of exciter to bring it back to life...

and maybe it will sound enough like a muff to make us muff heads go <siggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh> and hink to smile and think to himself what he thinks inside that head of his ;*)


who knows?
i am nowhere near my other computer, so i'm just trying to sonically visualize the resulting cacophany.


if it makes small animals fall down,
your grandma tremble,
or even Vurt puke, well...
don;t blame me.

but it may be close enough for rocknroll to pass.

or not.

<pink slinks outta the room backwards....>


madness...or billiance?

bored enough to try it?
let us know!

peace

[pinkjimiphoton]

Yeah, duh..

Come on, man, KICK IT OUT..

Done. All I needed was a little feedback... Careful it should be much louder... maybe too much...

http://ele4music.com/vst/efm-muff.zip

put that first in the chain of my last post!!!!!!
nice dude..rude and funky!

[pinkjimiphoton]

and yes it was the Muff Fuzz I put in my guitar...I'm really afraid that if I tell people the guitar I put it in was a 72 tele custom I might get run out of dodge.

Why? Tele's are f**king great guitars. I'll never buy one myself, but I totally acknowledge how good an instrument they are.
:

Who's talking down the first solid body electric guitar? H-I-N-K?

Say, it ain't so, Hinkster! Say it ain't so!

I'll never get rid of my Esquire ('84 Fender; Jap; modified; G&L PUP)!

if i could only have one electric guitar to ever play in my life, it would be the most worthiest of all guitars, the fender telecaster.



they are simply the most versatile tonally, you can always find the perfect tone with a tele.
perfect foil to a les paul when ya record, too..

[xoxos]

When you answer someone's question by saying "you like something horrible" it's rude.

listen, you're probably right. haven't your parents or grandparents or anyone ever said something like "you know those pencil ties you think are cool used to be right out in the eighties, yessir, it was all about the bolo."

i'd beat em up, putting down the pencil tie like that :p

i kinda figure hink is the music store guy who keeps bugging you while you shop but ends up dropping an invaluable piece of knowledge on you. as someone who (very occasionally) does guitar signal processing, i like to keep an ear open to these different people.

tomg - thanks for putting your knowledge to the task.

[pinkjimiphoton]

Why not just get the real thing? You can get Big Muffs on eBay for under $50 all day long (the black Soviet ones).

I personally prefer the EHX Double Muff to the Big Muff. They're also cheap.

f**k ya can buy a behringer clone WITH a small stone clone for 50 bux new.
and the circuits are miniaturized enough you could put them in the control cavity of most electric guitars if you wanted to.
but one caveat is their pots suck and aren;t very roadworthy.

ive been grabbing a few of the behringer pedals, im looking to closely resemble what i have (i know they wont match) for live use as if my box gets nicked its mebbe a hundred quid of cheap easily replacable stuff then, if i take the bits i have and it goes it would be hundreds of quid and in one or two cases possibly irreplacable now.
does the fuzz one sound ok? like i said im not after perfect emulation im after cheap and cheerful and usable.

the behringer vintage distortion (big muff pi clone) is as good as the sovteks in terms of tone..
they are a slightly less aggressive variant, but i love mine.
they are also a bit quieter than the EH's .

the pots are f**king cheeze, tho, but for 20 bux wh fuckin cares?

the vintage phaser is killer, just like a small stone...so ya can leave your good shit at home and beat on the cheap stuff.

i bought the "boss " style multi effect too, just for the cheezy pitch shifter..was like thirty bux.

decent sounding pedal, reasonably roadworthy i guess.

the pitch shifter is terrible in a good way...it glitches when the cycle repeats, just enough to make it ring noticeably.

and you guys will laugh....

but live?
i ditched all the other gear i used to use, the double pedalboards and leslie and all the shit...

now i use a behringer lx1200h "v-ampire" head driving a stereo 2x12 loaded with vintage 30's, one of their foot controllers, and that's it.
one cc pedal is master volume, one is wah,
and if ya step on the patch a second time it toggles the gain up and down.
fuckin brilliant amp.
it even has a patch bay in the back, so i run my guitar synths right thru it in stereo completely independant of the guitar path.
i use an old boss se-50 for a midi controlled leslie, and i have virtually all the sounds i really needed that used to take a half a truck to get.
but again, the pots are fuckin cheeze.
hollow nylon shafts that shear off.
easy to fix once ya mess with it if you're creative...but a pain in the ass.
so...as far as bang for the buck,
yah, ya can;t really go wrong with that fuzzbox.
it's close enough for rocknroll.