Big Muff VST

[vurt]

cool, cheers.
oh, it wont be rock n roll, but youll like it...

[Hink]

but as I recall (and if I'm wrong tell me) back when they originaly came out, before the russians there were the Big Muff, Little Big Muff and as I was corrected on the Muff Fuzz. I'm talking early to mid 70s here...if I'm wrong then let me correct myself by saying of the ones I tried. Of course I sold the newer ones at three different stores, but they were not exactly thrilling me any more then. I know it's killing you I dont like EH, sorry.

nah, who cars if ya don;t like eh?
they pretty much were over by the mid 70's...
but the big muff was the first ruskie one, they used to call them red army overdrives...they were a horrible soylent green colour,and sounded more like a rat than a muff..
the big muff pi sounded alot different.
there were so many variants it's hard to say conclusively uch about the stuff made in the ny period, as i've seen all kinds of weird variants.
mathews is pretty accessible, you used to be able to call new sensor and rap with him.

i called them once after putting my micromoog thru the sovtek muff i had jusr bought and blowing out the trace on the cicuit board from the input..

they asked me what it sounded like, i said the les paul of the gods right up until it blew up.

i jumpered the f**ker and fixed it, cuz it wasn;t worth me sending it back to them.

that said, on a side line, alot of the mini "reissues" they are making sound like shit.
the clone theory reissue was the biggest letdown in history, almost unuseable compared to the main item.

but yah, early to mid 70's was the heyday of EH...cuz nobody couldafford most of the other stuff that was available...like mutrons and ross etc.

thank you for talking to me like I'm a person again, I'm gonna sum up you three responses in one so I don't seem like a troll posting in a thread where I don't belong

First your last two paragraphs say what I was trying to say. As I recall the 80s was not a good time for EH and those are the ones I compared to Hondos (the reason I chose Hondo was because a store close to me sold a lot of both). By then I had a plexi and was using one of those cheap 6 band mxr eq noise boxes.



I was trying to get a similar sound as a friend with the little big muff but found a much better sound (hiss and all) with that. I had figured that if the little big muff sounded good the big muff would sound better, for me it did not. I was also using a V4 on a 2x12 cab (fwiw I made the same mistake buying the distortion plus 2 or whatever it was called a couple years later) I bought the plexi up in NH with the original Boss HM pedal and didn't like that at all, in fact I traded that pedal for the Duncan invader I put in my tele. The mxr worked for a bit but before too long I was using an onboard pre-amp made by audiocraft and straight to the amp. Your explanation of the LBM being more overdrive sounds like the reason why I liked it.

About the tele, trust me my mods got worse. The customs had that nice big cavity with the big pickguard and it was good for mods. However I decided I wanted the volume knob closer to the strings like a strat, that required a hole saw . Then one day I jumped ran off a drum riser onto a milkcrate step we made and I went flying, when I landed there were pieces of the lower part of the tele body everywhere. For a while it was held together with duct tape and then I fixed it proper. When I fixed it I decided to sand the contours like a strat into it as well. It was shortly after that someone stole all my gear (88), by then I had a Boogie instead as well. But I took the 'custom' part of my tele way too serious. TBH I was unaware that there was a Kahler prototype in 76, that's quite interesting.

Back then I didn't have much money and pedals were not something I collected, in the late 90s and into this century I worked at a few music stores and when the EH stuff was back out I was like "pa-leese" if you know what I mean. My entire list of pedals now still is small (original super chorus, a sansamp gt2, a radial aby box and an mxr distortion plus),

Fwiw this thread did just inspire me to try the emulations of fuzz pedals in my POD xt live and I had some fun with it, but it still doesn't fit me right. Oxy-moron aside I like my distortion cleaner.

It can be difficult but I try not to stay stuck in my ways, I found that breaking all my old rules has been fun and rewarding (most of them anyhow)

[pandashake]

tomg - thanks for putting your knowledge to the task.

1+ Thanks, tomg! Thanks xoxos for bringing this back to the original topic.

[Hink]

When you answer someone's question by saying "you like something horrible" it's rude.

listen, you're probably right. haven't your parents or grandparents or anyone ever said something like "you know those pencil ties you think are cool used to be right out in the eighties, yessir, it was all about the bolo."

i'd beat em up, putting down the pencil tie like that :p

i kinda figure hink is the music store guy who keeps bugging you while you shop but ends up dropping an invaluable piece of knowledge on you. as someone who (very occasionally) does guitar signal processing, i like to keep an ear open to these different people.

tomg - thanks for putting your knowledge to the task.

thanx Rurik, but you know I honestly think that anyone that would call me a troll based on this little bit must not know me at all and tbh if they are that quick to make such a statement then that's probably a good thing.

[pinkjimiphoton]

cool, cheers.
oh, it wont be rock n roll, but youll like it...

'sok, dude, i like everything.

[ughnonumus]

the EH stuff was back out I was like "pa-leese" if you know what I mean.

We used to take a few screws out of the casing and show people how they were built...used to scare people into buying the MXR! However, the more practical sorts would just stick to the sound(s). Let's face it, EH had a long string of product offerings. Not all of their products were worth a penny. They were an interesting company to chat with, for sure. Regardless of either appearances, they offered some decent Fx cans to a wider audience. The MuTron and MXR lines were not as affordable.

The big feature on the Big Muff was the sustain, simply put. Lots of players would teeter between whether the sustain was worth the extra (from the Small Stone). I used to hear one of these almost every day. It's cool to see people chatting about it. In addition, it's just as cool to see EH building better pedals.

[Sickle]

11 pages of fuzz and muff and not one innapropriate pic.
can i just say how proud of you guys i am

[pinkjimiphoton]

dude, just cuz i'm being a dick dont mean i don;t like ya!!
comments below....

but as I recall (and if I'm wrong tell me) back when they originaly came out, before the russians there were the Big Muff, Little Big Muff and as I was corrected on the Muff Fuzz. I'm talking early to mid 70s here...if I'm wrong then let me correct myself by saying of the ones I tried. Of course I sold the newer ones at three different stores, but they were not exactly thrilling me any more then. I know it's killing you I dont like EH, sorry.

nah, who cars if ya don;t like eh?
they pretty much were over by the mid 70's...
but the big muff was the first ruskie one, they used to call them red army overdrives...they were a horrible soylent green colour,and sounded more like a rat than a muff..
the big muff pi sounded alot different.
there were so many variants it's hard to say conclusively uch about the stuff made in the ny period, as i've seen all kinds of weird variants.
mathews is pretty accessible, you used to be able to call new sensor and rap with him.

i called them once after putting my micromoog thru the sovtek muff i had jusr bought and blowing out the trace on the cicuit board from the input..

they asked me what it sounded like, i said the les paul of the gods right up until it blew up.

i jumpered the f**ker and fixed it, cuz it wasn;t worth me sending it back to them.

that said, on a side line, alot of the mini "reissues" they are making sound like shit.
the clone theory reissue was the biggest letdown in history, almost unuseable compared to the main item.

but yah, early to mid 70's was the heyday of EH...cuz nobody couldafford most of the other stuff that was available...like mutrons and ross etc.

thank you for talking to me like I'm a person again, I'm gonna sum up you three responses in one so I don't seem like a troll posting in a thread where I don't belong


f**k that troll bullshit...you got the right to your opinion, even if wrong, and i would literally defend you right to say great googly moogly if ya wanted to to the death, man....
i' ve been known to be fulla shit myself...


First your last two paragraphs say what I was trying to say. As I recall the 80s was not a good time for EH and those are the ones I compared to Hondos (the reason I chose Hondo was because a store close to me sold a lot of both). By then I had a plexi and was using one of those cheap 6 band mxr eq noise boxes.



they were pretty much done by the early 80's...
the russian ones started coming in by about 88 or so, by the 90's sovtek was selling them thu new sensor (soon to become EH again)

I was trying to get a similar sound as a friend with the little big muff but found a much better sound (hiss and all) with that. I had figured that if the little big muff sounded good the big muff would sound better, for me it did not. I was also using a V4 on a 2x12 cab

drool.....i fuckin loved them ampegs...LOUD IS GOOD, RIGHT????
i took the output tranny from an old reverbrocket in my princeton (along with a lot of other shit) i love ampegs..
and 2x12's are the sanest way to run them...ya get tone, and make your pants flap without making your ears bleed..


(fwiw I made the same mistake buying the distortion plus 2 or whatever it was called a couple years later) I bought the plexi up in NH with the original Boss HM pedal and didn't like that at all, in fact I traded that pedal for the Duncan invader I put in my tele. The mxr worked for a bit but before too long I was using an onboard pre-amp made by audiocraft and straight to the amp. Your explanation of the LBM being more overdrive sounds like the reason why I liked it.


yah, you just need an exta gain stage to pish the amp past the distortion point from what you explain...you;re looking for harmonic distortion,rich in 2nd harmonic and boost more than to make it sound like shit.
but that shit sound is what is good sometimes...if you like that sound, it's all good.that creamy-ass sustain is hard to beat for legato guitar stuff sometimes.but not always..i'd love to listen, got a link to anything you could turn us on to?


About the tele, trust me my mods got worse. The customs had that nice big cavity with the big pickguard and it was good for mods. However I decided I wanted the volume knob closer to the strings like a strat, that required a hole saw .

well.....that's part of what i did to my firebird..lol..


Then one day I jumped ran off a drum riser onto a milkcrate step we made and I went flying, when I landed there were pieces of the lower part of the tele body everywhere. For a while it was held together with duct tape and then I fixed it proper. When I fixed it I decided to sand the contours like a strat into it as well. It was shortly after that someone stole all my gear (88), by then I had a Boogie instead as well. But I took the 'custom' part of my tele way too serious. TBH I was unaware that there was a Kahler prototype in 76, that's quite interesting.

i am asuming it was a kahler, it sure looked like one.
had a little short bar that had a flat kinda handle almost.
i'd think it was one of them hipshot things, but it definitely was a whang bar.

Back then I didn't have much money and pedals were not something I collected, in the late 90s and into this century I worked at a few music stores and when the EH stuff was back out I was like "pa-leese" if you know what I mean.

say no more, you'll break my heart..lol


My entire list of pedals now still is small (original super chorus, a sansamp gt2, a radial aby box and an mxr distortion plus),

Fwiw this thread did just inspire me to try the emulations of fuzz pedals in my POD xt live and I had some fun with it, but it still doesn't fit me right. Oxy-moron aside I like my distortion cleaner.


clean distortion is absolutely valid, ya just can't make it sound like fuzz...


It can be difficult but I try not to stay stuck in my ways, I found that breaking all my old rules has been fun and rewarding (most of them anyhow)

rules?
we don' need no steenkink rulez, we're GUITAR PLAYERS
hear us roar....

lol

[pinkjimiphoton]

11 pages of fuzz and muff and not one innapropriate pic.
can i just say how proud of you guys i am

lmffao!!!
dickhead!!

[vurt]

11 pages of fuzz and muff and not one innapropriate pic.
can i just say how proud of you guys i am

where is vulich these days?

[Hink]

the EH stuff was back out I was like "pa-leese" if you know what I mean.

We used to take a few screws out of the casing and show people how they were built...used to scare people into buying the MXR! However, the more practical sorts would just stick to the sound(s). Let's face it, EH had a long string of product offerings. Not all of their products were worth a penny. They were an interesting company to chat with, for sure. Regardless of either appearances, they offered some decent Fx cans to a wider audience. The MuTron and MXR lines were not as affordable.

The big feature on the Big Muff was the sustain, simply put. Lots of players would teeter between whether the sustain was worth the extra (from the Small Stone). I used to hear one of these almost every day. It's cool to see people chatting about it. In addition, it's just as cool to see EH building better pedals.

I was going to say what I dislike about the sustain from fuzz, but...anyhow I think the fact that pedals were expensive and the ones that weren't I didn't always like was a good thing 30 years ago. Somewhere about 82 another guitar player friend told me about his friend that was playing a show and this guys claim to fame was he had a grand worth of pedals. If I wanted to hear all that noise I would of gone to Niagara Falls

I'm glad I didn't get dependant on pedals then, I think not having pedals helped me with my personal learning curve more. Now I have fun trying things I wouldn't of used in the past to find other creative uses outside of my box.

[xoxos]

i warned you about reading the dungeons and dragons monster manual.

[hibidy]

I wish we wouldn't have had the inappropriate photo

[Hink]

rules?
we don' need no steenkink rulez, we're GUITAR PLAYERS
hear us roar....

lol

shortened for the sanity of others scrolling thru

I think the best rule I broke (of mine) was giving up on my stance of analog or nothing (gae that up in the 90s)...after that the floodgates opened. I was at a party last week and there was this oldtimer there telling me all about how the digital world could never compare to the analog world. I nodded a lot, went home and jammed my ass off...I really didn't agree or disagree with him though, why compare when they can share?

[Hink]

11 pages of fuzz and muff and not one innapropriate pic.
can i just say how proud of you guys i am

where is vulich these days?

funny, I was just thinking the same thing this morning...I just figured he changed his name and I hadn't caught on yet (I'm pretty slow to pick name changes up)