eSoundz Master Engineering GROUP BUY!

[lotus2035]

This is all download so epoints are ok to use for the cost??

If so please refer me: daveglynn

epointz cannot be used on software at this time so no, it won't work on this.

ok squids..

Allen told me that you would have all the Drumcore drummer packs up for download soon..will it be ok to use epointz on them?? (I have my eye on one in particular)..

[funkychickendance]

Perhaps we could get some metrics on the three sets of loops?

Such as the number in each collection, the MB count, etc? I'm imagining they'd have to be pretty large and comprehensive to have an MRSP of $149. I always like to be pretty clear about what I'm buying into, however much of a bargain or 'buy one, get three free' it might happen to be on paper...

//fnx

[calex]

tag

[buscemi]

Also if Squids can pop back in and answer my question about the loops? Are they truly just "in the style of" or almost-exact or exact beats from real songs? That was kind of a turnoff with the existing profiles demos to be honest. I'm likely in due to the plugin bargain anyway though.

I did a "live" podcast about it - does that count in the "spread the word" lists? If so, here's a link to it (first and only episode at this point): http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/21094

Next time I do one, hopefully people call in! If anybody wants to refer me, I am buscemi at esoundz too.

[Squids]

This is all download so epoints are ok to use for the cost??

If so please refer me: daveglynn

epointz cannot be used on software at this time so no, it won't work on this.

ok squids..

Allen told me that you would have all the Drumcore drummer packs up for download soon..will it be ok to use epointz on them?? (I have my eye on one in particular)..

The Sonic Reality drummer packs yes. The Submersible ones I am not sure. It's new. But we'll try to make it so at least some of your epointz can be used even on other company's downloadable products. But for Sonic Reality downloadable products I have the final word so... yes for SR sounds and most of esoundz is SR.

[Squids]

Perhaps we could get some metrics on the three sets of loops?

Such as the number in each collection, the MB count, etc? I'm imagining they'd have to be pretty large and comprehensive to have an MRSP of $149. I always like to be pretty clear about what I'm buying into, however much of a bargain or 'buy one, get three free' it might happen to be on paper...

//fnx

Yes, I'll put that together on Tuesday. I have Jury Duty on Monday. Yay! I wonder if I tell them I am in the midst of a group buy and just can't do it if that will fly... I guess if I say I have a whole company to run. But I have to go down there anyway. Not that I wouldn't want to do my duty. Well, court bores me actually.

I think the average size of each is around 500 megs for the rock ones and I think Motown is around a gig because it also has all of that percussion and more loops. Not sure the number of grooves. But on the mic channels you have directs for each drum, under snare mic, overheads and at least one room. To answer a previous question this group buy let's you download all THREE formats - Rex, Apple Loops or Acidized Wave. Now, YES, the great thing about these multitrack loops is that they are the ONLY multi-mic-channel loops where you have flexible tempo in DAWS using any of the three loop formats interchangeably. The slices match up between the three formats which no one else has (we had to write proprietary software to be able to do that which is why... and to be able to do true multitrack Rex which is not possible with Recycle). So, THESE grooves let you mix the mics AND lock to the host's tempo, quantize the groove and manipulate it. Niiiiiiice.

I have another cool thing for you. If you already own CSR and T-Racks then we'll offer a very good deal for you just on the sounds which are being released as regular esoundz downloadable products at the end of the month. This won't be part of the group buy BUT we'll even let your purchase count in the numbers so it helps everyone else get a better deal in the GB (especially since many of you are good at pushing these things). To top if off we WILL allow epointz to be used on the sounds. The price will be $199 for all three (otherwise it is $149 minus your esoundz discount each so it's better than you'd get otherwise). If you can rack up some epointz with referrals and since there is no limit now to how many epointz you can get then it is even possible to get it for free! 40 referrals. It has been done before!!!! But even if you get close... not bad! These loops are really cool!

[Squids]

Also if Squids can pop back in and answer my question about the loops? Are they truly just "in the style of" or almost-exact or exact beats from real songs? That was kind of a turnoff with the existing profiles demos to be honest. I'm likely in due to the plugin bargain anyway though.

I did a "live" podcast about it - does that count in the "spread the word" lists? If so, here's a link to it (first and only episode at this point): http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/21094

Next time I do one, hopefully people call in! If anybody wants to refer me, I am buscemi at esoundz too.

Most of the time it is exact beats from the songs. Sometimes variations of it so there is some variety to make something new but it's quite authentic in many ways.

[beergeek]

I did a "live" podcast about it - does that count in the "spread the word" lists? If so, here's a link to it (first and only episode at this point): http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/21094

I say it counts twice in any contest

Nice job BTW!

You should start a thread in the Market Place that you can update when you do a new ones. I look forward to hearing about ones from other places as well. So everyone bombard buscemi with PM's about GB's

Here's the really cool part about these REX loops...

the great thing about these multitrack loops is that they are the ONLY multi-mic-channel loops where you have flexible tempo in DAWS using any of the three loop formats interchangeably

That's snare top, snare bottom, each tom, kick, in some cases each cymbal, overhead and room. So, loops with the same kind of mic control you get in a Drum VSTi or actually, in a studio set-up which of course was the aim

Squids...will these have the kits and if so, what format(s)?

Plus, being REX, you can slice and dice the individual loops within your DAW OR better yet, DRUMCORE :shocked:

If you already own CSR and T-Racks then we'll offer a very good deal for you just on the sounds... we'll even let your purchase count in the numbers... we WILL allow epointz to be used on the sounds. The price will be $199 for all three...

So, if you already own the plugs, you can either spend $239 and sell the plugs (unregistered no transfer fee) OR spend $199 if you don't need the plugs OR if you don't want to hassle with selling them and/or want to use your epointz.

As I said, I own CSR/T-Racks so I think I'll go for the latter only so there's not a glut of cheap T-Racks and CSR in the Market Place AND because I want to use my epointz

Once again esoundz is listening....plus, the Squids knows that us longtime junkies need a way into the GB to satisfy our addiction and he knows getting all of us into the GB is good for everyone.

So, where do we sign up oh mighty Squids?

[Squids]

We'll make a special bundle deal on the three sound packs that you can simply purchase when they're ready. Card will be charged when the downloads are available so that should make people happy there. That's for the non-group buy purchase though. Of course each pack will also be available ala carte so if you wanted say JUST the Bonham style drums you'll be able to pick that up alone for around $100. or so (depending on your membership discount) and yes you can use your epointz on that too so... for some of you I guess we're talking close to free! That's the benefit of going around and collecting referrals as some of you sound junkies have discovered (and everybody wins because the people that use you as a referral also get the same amount of epointz for that transaction and usually THANK you for turning them onto the product on top).

As for the drum kits, there are several different size versions we have of drum kits coming for download in various formats. Essentially small medium large and extra large (but we're not caling it that! haha). In the small size (which is really not that small but small enough to download) we have stereo drum kits coming in formats like Battery, KitCore/DrumCore, SampleTank (in SampleTank we have the Studiophonik-style drum kits that were never released which feature simple two mic balance mixing between directs and overheads - some of you already have the RingBeat kit in ST done this way!), Reason, Kontakt etc. One cool thing about them is that many of these new stereo kits come with 2 to 3 mixes with emphasis on directs vs. ambient mics. So you get a tight unprocessed sound to work with and a more open (sometimes roomy if it was recorded in a big room) sound. Then you can easily process either of those with T-Racks and CSR to get a very EASY drum sound close to many things. Those drum kits are also very affordable too. They're not currently a part of this GB but... hmmm, maybe if you guys hit high numbers like 300 and 400 then they will make their way in somehow. We'll see.

The medium sized kits are multi-channel but meant to be download sized (so around a gig on average). They have all of the same channels matching up with the loops so you can "punch in" your drum part and tweak it to match up to the engineered sound you got with your loops which essentially make those loops endlessly customizable in your song. The kits are in I-Map and GM (sometimes also V-Drum). These are done in Kontakt although we might bring them to BFD as well. Currently the RingBeats Kit and Motown Session Kit are done in I-Map and GM in Kontakt and may be available at the end of the month for download or sooner. I will be using those in my video demonstration this week.

Then there are large kits which are also multi-channel but sizes range 1.5 to 2.5 gigs. You'll find these kits on products like Studio ProFiles Drum Masters Gold Edition (which has both medium and large sized kits) or OWD (mostly large and the Platinum has extra large sized kits that are twice the size because of the sample rate). They're on DVD only in that size (too large for download). There are other extra large kits coming in the Ken Scott Collection and the Neil Peart set which are just HUMONGOUS (we'll also have lite versions of them so everyone can run them because the big ones can be a little taxing on your computer and plus they are nowhere near downloadable sized being over 4 or 5 gigs). The sizes of the kits depends on the number of sample rate, mic options, velocities, alts, articulations and of course size of the drum kit (Neil Peart's kit or Billy Cobham's kit are just simply much much larger than any drummer should attempt! haha).

The good news is that ALL of the size versions from small to extra large can produce VERY GOOD results in drum track creation. The sound quality is more or less the same (although discrete channels is technically better), just different degrees of convenience, tweaking possibilities and ranges of expression plus between the kits themselves we're talking different kits recorded by different people in different rooms... each sound different from the next and by your opinion some you'll like more than others (I tend to like them all though for one reason or another!). We have the most variety ever done in drum sampling that has been collected for about 7 years now and most of it never released! I know that sounds crazy and maybe we are... not sure. But this is the year of drums for SR so you finally get to hear one of the main things we've been doing all this time. We have over 50 discrete downloadable drum kits coming for KitCore/DrumCore alone. Every brand you can think of. Pearl, Slingerland, Premier, Ludwig, Gretsch, Yamaha, DW, Rogers, Noble & Cooley, Fibes, Pork Pie, Orange County, Sonor, Tama, Leedy, Basix and even custom drums you've never heard of that sound totally unique and that no one has ever sampled before! Sonic Reality samples everything. It sometimes takes us a while to RELEASE everything but we're working on that.

[lotus2035]

The Sonic Reality drummer packs yes. The Submersible ones I am not sure. It's new. But we'll try to make it so at least some of your epointz can be used even on other company's downloadable products. But for Sonic Reality downloadable products I have the final word so... yes for SR sounds and most of esoundz is SR.

Thank you squids..

[zedd]

I have another cool thing for you. If you already own CSR and T-Racks then we'll offer a very good deal for you just on the sounds which are being released as regular esoundz downloadable products at the end of the month. This won't be part of the group buy BUT we'll even let your purchase count in the numbers so it helps everyone else get a better deal in the GB (especially since many of you are good at pushing these things). To top if off we WILL allow epointz to be used on the sounds. The price will be $199 for all three...

Since I am not interested in the plugins, now the offer is starting to look better...

But Squids, it is hard to justify spending $199 on a few more drum collections (no matter how good they are), when we are still awaiting the arrival of about 9Gb of drum loops that we just purchased in the last group buy. I'm not sure that MORE drum loops was a good idea for this month's group buy, because I am not sure that many will be able to convince themselves to buy more drum loops before seeing what they've got already.

If you would be willing to add a couple more of the Studio Profiles drummer packs that we didn't get in last month's group buy, then I would be much more excited about jumping in.

If you added these two, for the $199, then I would be in for sure:

Studio Profiles: Bill Bruford Drums (DrumCore edition)
Studio Profiles: Ed Greene Drums ( hopefully also a DrumCore edition)

I know that this is a lot to ask, but to make this group buy successful (and to secure all those of us who may be sitting on the fence) these additions might be the ticket.

Just my two cents.

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[funkychickendance]

Perhaps we could get some metrics on the three sets of loops?

Such as the number in each collection, the MB count, etc? I'm imagining they'd have to be pretty large and comprehensive to have an MRSP of $149. I always like to be pretty clear about what I'm buying into, however much of a bargain or 'buy one, get three free' it might happen to be on paper...

//fnx

Yes, I'll put that together on Tuesday....

I think the average size of each is around 500 megs for the rock ones and I think Motown is around a gig because it also has all of that percussion and more loops. Not sure the number of grooves. But on the mic channels you have directs for each drum, under snare mic, overheads and at least one room. To answer a previous question this group buy let's you download all THREE formats - Rex, Apple Loops or Acidized Wave. Now, YES, the great thing about these multitrack loops is that they are the ONLY multi-mic-channel loops where you have flexible tempo in DAWS using any of the three loop formats interchangeably. The slices match up between the three formats which no one else has (we had to write proprietary software to be able to do that which is why... and to be able to do true multitrack Rex which is not possible with Recycle). So, THESE grooves let you mix the mics AND lock to the host's tempo, quantize the groove and manipulate it. Niiiiiiice.

I have another cool thing for you. If you already own CSR and T-Racks then we'll offer a very good deal for you just on the sounds which are being released as regular esoundz downloadable products at the end of the month. This won't be part of the group buy BUT we'll even let your purchase count in the numbers so it helps everyone else get a better deal in the GB (especially since many of you are good at pushing these things). To top if off we WILL allow epointz to be used on the sounds. The price will be $199 for all three (otherwise it is $149 minus your esoundz discount each so it's better than you'd get otherwise). If you can rack up some epointz with referrals and since there is no limit now to how many epointz you can get then it is even possible to get it for free! 40 referrals. It has been done before!!!! But even if you get close... not bad! These loops are really cool!

Ah, even more choices! Well, now I'm torn between just the loops and the loops-plus-CSR-plus-T-Racks (with the hassle of unloading CSR on whichever sole person in the Western World who doesn't already own it... )

Good answer, anyway!

//fnx
(spare some ePointz for the old geezer who asks the good questions: funkyfunky on eSoundsz)

[Squids]

Well, first of all I think most of you will have your DrumCore GB stuff before this group buy is over. Second, and this is really the biggest thing, these loops are MULTITRACK. On top of that there is zero cross-over between these loops and what's in your 9 gigs of loops with DrumCore if you were in that GB. These are "session loops" that you drag right into your DAW and start mixing the mics (like you would in BFD but these are audio loops of real playing instead of just midi). That's why it is called the "Master Engineering Bundle". You get virtual drum sessions AND the effects to produce them with. Anyway, I am doing a video this week to demonstrate what we're talking about. It's quite different from DrumCore which is for stereo loops (no mic mixing). You get more variety of loops in DrumCore with stereo. This is much much less variety but more high end via the proprietary discrete multi-channels that all sync up together. You can get more sonic results by processing each channel differently, setting up different mix balances... but this should be for people who know how to engineer or WANT to know how to engineer (because it is a great bundle for learning as well and it isn't that hard to get some GREAT sounds out of the combination of these sounds and plug-ins).

I hope that explains it. Apart from the fact that you COULD load these into your DrumCore this Group Buy is not meant to have anything to do with DrumCore. It is it's own thing. But, for the sounds it is still a very good deal at $199 for all three (compare with the prices of products like Discrete Drums which are also multitrack loop libraries but don't have the same Rex/Apple Loops/Wave features). It is even a better deal to get TWO plugins worth $800 (MSRP) for just $39 more!!!!! So... join if you think that'll be fun and quite affordable!

[ZombyWoof]

I love my CSR. It's definitely my goto reverb. T-Racks sounds great too, but I haven't explored it too deeply yet. Thanks for the option to enter the group buy for owners of CSR and T-Racks, but for a $39 difference (if we meet 200), it does make sense to go for the whole enchilada. Still mulling it over...

eSoundz name: zombywoof

[buscemi]

I did a "live" podcast about it - does that count in the "spread the word" lists? If so, here's a link to it (first and only episode at this point): http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/21094

I say it counts twice in any contest

Nice job BTW!

You should start a thread in the Market Place that you can update when you do a new ones. I look forward to hearing about ones from other places as well. So everyone bombard buscemi with PM's about GB's

Thanks for the compliment! I've been in the technical realm of podcasting for a while now, but haven't done too many myself (was too busy keeping the behind-the-scenes stuff running) but decided to do one, will probably also do "mini lessons" too.

If anybody does have deals that they'd like to have featured, I can definitely do a lot of these off-the-cuff. I just started with something I'm very familiar with. I hope to do the OddGrooves Crazy pack next since those are cheaper in June, but will do anything I can get my hands on.

Squids is welcome to do a call-in on a live show about one of these group buys if he wants too That would be VERY cool. I'd like to hear some of the stories told instead of typed sometime.