Ok lets explain ... it ... again... sl..ow...ly....
Since most music is evetually encoded in mp3 I would like to have a reference mix to make sure the master sounds good after the encoding. (dude - wake up - if your not encoded into mp3 - no one is listening to your music. [Ok your girlfriend and a couple of other dudes on the internet])
Never did I say that i would leave the plugin activated in the final master. Its an A-B thing.
Please no posts on "mp3 sounds terrible I am a sound connoisseur and music arteest".
mp3 direct mastering
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 13 posts since 17 Jun, 2008 from New York
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- Banned
- 4072 posts since 7 Nov, 2007
(edit again)
Just mix n master, and use the best encoder. Its not going to make much a diff. you just deal with it. all mp3s suck. everybody deals, or uses flac.
Just mix n master, and use the best encoder. Its not going to make much a diff. you just deal with it. all mp3s suck. everybody deals, or uses flac.
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- KVRist
- 110 posts since 20 Jul, 2007 from Reading, PA - USA
Actually most people either don't know what the heck FLAC is or don't care for the file size, they find it as pointless as WAV files. It's only people that don't use MP3's that think MP3's suck. I must have missed those FLAC playing Ipods.....ckatrun411 wrote:(edit again)
Just mix n master, and use the best encoder. Its not going to make much a diff. you just deal with it. all mp3s suck. everybody deals, or uses flac.
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- KVRAF
- 5524 posts since 5 May, 2007 from Mars Colony
I don't like mp3's but I use them for things like MySpace.
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- KVRAF
- 2054 posts since 3 Jun, 2001 from Not far from Australia
mp3 sounds ok when at least encoded at 192,
higher than 256 it gets really good.
But the main problems come from the codec used.
Most CUT ALL above 16000hz !!!
OGG Vorbis doesnt.
Xing mp3 codec doesnt.
You want A/B, use an spectrum-analyzer.
GET SHOCKED !
higher than 256 it gets really good.
But the main problems come from the codec used.
Most CUT ALL above 16000hz !!!
OGG Vorbis doesnt.
Xing mp3 codec doesnt.
You want A/B, use an spectrum-analyzer.
GET SHOCKED !
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DSP with attitude
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
My current mp3 encoding preference is:
Lame 3.97:
-B 320 -k -h -V 0 --vbr-new
I use this for sound demos compression (5.7:1)
This way mp3 does sound a bit 'crispier' than WAVs, but I do not find this coloration overly excessive: this 'crispness' is mainly a result of noise being added by the codec. Well, for me it sounds like an artistical coloration anyway.
WAVs are better anytime, because they are originals.
On the topic, when using such 'hi quality' mp3 encoding, there is no real need in any 'pre-emphasis'. For much lower bit rates pre-emphasis may be necessary, but let's face it - you can't do anything substantial that will make things sound 'better'. You can basically only change broadband EQ shape so that mp3 codec favors some frequency ranges at the expense of other frequency ranges. On the other hand, adjusting EQ shape of a 'final' musical product may be even worse than 'mp3 swooshing' you'd like to hide.
Lame 3.97:
-B 320 -k -h -V 0 --vbr-new
I use this for sound demos compression (5.7:1)
This way mp3 does sound a bit 'crispier' than WAVs, but I do not find this coloration overly excessive: this 'crispness' is mainly a result of noise being added by the codec. Well, for me it sounds like an artistical coloration anyway.
WAVs are better anytime, because they are originals.
On the topic, when using such 'hi quality' mp3 encoding, there is no real need in any 'pre-emphasis'. For much lower bit rates pre-emphasis may be necessary, but let's face it - you can't do anything substantial that will make things sound 'better'. You can basically only change broadband EQ shape so that mp3 codec favors some frequency ranges at the expense of other frequency ranges. On the other hand, adjusting EQ shape of a 'final' musical product may be even worse than 'mp3 swooshing' you'd like to hide.
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- KVRAF
- 2054 posts since 3 Jun, 2001 from Not far from Australia
Well put Aleksey !Aleksey Vaneev wrote:You can basically only change broadband EQ shape so that mp3 codec favors some frequency ranges at the expense of other frequency ranges. On the other hand, adjusting EQ shape of a 'final' musical product may be even worse than 'mp3 swooshing' you'd like to hide.
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:My current mp3 encoding preference is:
Lame 3.97:
-B 320 -k -h -V 0 --vbr-new
DSP with attitude
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- KVRAF
- 5524 posts since 5 May, 2007 from Mars Colony
Can someone explain what these indications mean: -B 320 -k -h -V 0 --vbr-new ?
I get the vbr as variable bit rate. When I use LAME 3.97 in Tracktion 2 it just gives me options for quality settings from 1-10 when using vbr. I use 10 and the file sizes are quite reasonable but encoding is slow.
I get the vbr as variable bit rate. When I use LAME 3.97 in Tracktion 2 it just gives me options for quality settings from 1-10 when using vbr. I use 10 and the file sizes are quite reasonable but encoding is slow.
"You don’t expect much beyond a gaping, misspelled void when you stare into the cold dark place that is Internet comments."
---Salon on internet trolls attacking Cleveland kidnapping victim Amanda Berry
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
Max VBR rate is 320 kbit/s (-B 320), no polyphase low-pass filter (-k), high quality setting (-h), highest VBR quality (-V 0), "new" VBR algorithm (--vbr-new). Joint-stereo encoding is assumed.A.M. Gold wrote:Can someone explain what these indications mean: -B 320 -k -h -V 0 --vbr-new ?
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- KVRian
- 600 posts since 29 Dec, 2006 from Sealand, North Sea
I'm glad you said this because I have always been shocked at the resulting FLAC file size.Gartanius wrote:Actually most people either don't know what the heck FLAC is or don't care for the file size, they find it as pointless as WAV files. It's only people that don't use MP3's that think MP3's suck. I must have missed those FLAC playing Ipods.....ckatrun411 wrote:(edit again)
Just mix n master, and use the best encoder. Its not going to make much a diff. you just deal with it. all mp3s suck. everybody deals, or uses flac.
MP3's do have a place in the audio world and I certainly wouldn't say any compression type "sucks" because they each have their own use. They are tools. And you're absolutely right; the iPod listening public has said "This sounds good enough for me to buy".
Obviously, MP3 has no place in a mastering form but for end user delivery, it's an option.
I would say music has been hurt more by the loudness wars than any compression algo.
I am surprised; however, that OV hasn't become more popular . . .
I still think, your punctuation sucks, and your spelling isn't cool! So there...
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
No need to be surprised. MP3 pays to certain parties (even if only its license owners) who then promote it on all channels possible. Free software will always lose this war, because nobody is really interested in its promotion. Promotion is everything in the business areas with a fast-growing potential.mandt wrote:I am surprised; however, that OV hasn't become more popular . . .
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- KVRAF
- 5524 posts since 5 May, 2007 from Mars Colony
Great, thanks.Aleksey Vaneev wrote:Max VBR rate is 320 kbit/s (-B 320), no polyphase low-pass filter (-k), high quality setting (-h), highest VBR quality (-V 0), "new" VBR algorithm (--vbr-new). Joint-stereo encoding is assumed.A.M. Gold wrote:Can someone explain what these indications mean: -B 320 -k -h -V 0 --vbr-new ?
"You don’t expect much beyond a gaping, misspelled void when you stare into the cold dark place that is Internet comments."
---Salon on internet trolls attacking Cleveland kidnapping victim Amanda Berry
---Salon on internet trolls attacking Cleveland kidnapping victim Amanda Berry
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- KVRian
- 600 posts since 29 Dec, 2006 from Sealand, North Sea
Good God . . . I suppose I should have figured something like that was happening.Aleksey Vaneev wrote:No need to be surprised. MP3 pays to certain parties (even if only its license owners) who then promote it on all channels possible. Free software will always lose this war, because nobody is really interested in its promotion. Promotion is everything in the business areas with a fast-growing potential.mandt wrote:I am surprised; however, that OV hasn't become more popular . . .
I still think, your punctuation sucks, and your spelling isn't cool! So there...