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[Squids]

Careful with that Ribbon dude

... Careful with that axe, Eugene

That's what I was thinking. Careful with that RCA mic Euge! I just watched the director's cut of Live at Pompeii last night. Boy that Axe song is a little twisted. Nice screaming! By the way Waters is definitely on something... maybe they all are. Rick Wright cracks me up. He IS Spinal Tap!!!!!!

[AlEebee]

Trying out the loops with DC from the last GB I just imported the Ringo Beats as a DrummerPack and I think I would probably then go in and select relevant tracks and create the different parts a Styles in the pack - though having tried it below I do not think I would bother as it is a LOT of extra work.

Anyway, loaded the individual tracks into Tracktion, applied some mild panning and then exported one of the loops firstly switching off the overhead & room channels, then with the o/h on but no room, then with room but no o/h, and finally with all tracks on. Versions below and you can hear differences just by dropping channels out. Nothing else done for reverbs, eq, compression etc



RingoBeats.mp3
RingoBeatsNoOH.mp3
RingoBeatsNoRoom.mp3
RingoBeatsNoRoom_or_OH.mp3
RingoBeatsEverything.mp3

I also did a set slowed down to 100 BPM from the 140 base tempo which sort of worked
RingoBeats100.mp3

[zedd]

Thanks for doing that AlEebee.

Trying out the loops with DC from the last GB I just imported the Ringo Beats as a DrummerPack and I think I would probably then go in and select relevant tracks and create the different parts a Styles in the pack - though having tried it below I do not think I would bother as it is a LOT of extra work.

Importing these multi-tracks into DrumCore so that they are grouped efficiently is definitely a fair bit of work. That is why I am trying to arrange to have a DrumCore formatted version of these multi-track packs with Squids.

BTW, it is important for everyone to realise that you don't have to import all the loops into your DAW like AlEebee did. That is certainly one way to work, but you can also just use components separately, or add multi-tracks for build-ups in parts of your song, etc. There are many ways to work with these. But certainly having them available for quick auditioning in a player such as DrumCore will help you find what you are looking for much more quickly.

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[Squids]

Here's the bundle of all three Studio ProFiles Multi-tracks. For each person that orders it there will be an automatic ghost added to the group buy so everyone else still benefits from the people that might already have T-Racks and CSR. See? We find a way to please everyone... oh for the people that JUST wanted T-Racks and CSR then just joint the group buy and help it get to $239. That's the lowest price we can do on those anyway.

Here's the link for the sounds only! http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2040

A massive email blast just went out starting today so hopefully we'll get a lot of people joining the group buy and making it cheaper and cheaper and cheaper... plus we uploaded some new demos. We'll continue with demos all through next week too!

[AlEebee]

Thanks for doing that AlEebee.

Trying out the loops with DC from the last GB I just imported the Ringo Beats as a DrummerPack and I think I would probably then go in and select relevant tracks and create the different parts a Styles in the pack - though having tried it below I do not think I would bother as it is a LOT of extra work.

Importing these multi-tracks into DrumCore so that they are grouped efficiently is definitely a fair bit of work. That is why I am trying to arrange to have a DrumCore formatted version of these multi-track packs with Squids.

BTW, it is important for everyone to realise that you don't have to import all the loops into your DAW like AlEebee did. That is certainly one way to work, but you can also just use components separately, or add multi-tracks for build-ups in parts of your song, etc. There are many ways to work with these. But certainly having them available for quick auditioning in a player such as DrumCore will help you find what you are looking for much more quickly.

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Cheers

Not sure I entirely understand your final para when you say

you don't have to import all the loops into your DAW

Probably me not understanding fully how to use the loops. Do you mean all of the 9 tracks that make up the one loop - say 140_BritRock1?

I dropped the 9 tracks making up each loop in consecutively to let Tracktion stretch each set to fit the set BPM for one long loop made up of the 5.

I could probably have ignored the snare bottom & sub kick to save time.

It did cross my mind to set the BPM for each individual batch, then export the whole mix at its base BPM to import that into DC to be able to preview the loop in totality with DC. Then having found one I liked drop the individual sections in to a track to finish with more control and leave the multitracks outside DC altogether.

That would of course be a different sort of time consuming affair and one might be able to get away with just the room mic to get a feel for it I suppose.

I am pretty sure I shall be in on this GB as well (tax refund willing ) as much (if not more) for the IK plugs - because I do not have them - as the multitrack loops, which I might find less immediate use for. For what I am doing at the moment I find stereo loops of real drummers from DC are fine, but hey all loops were made equal even if some (SR multitracks) are more equal than others

[zedd]

Not sure I entirely understand your final para when you say

you don't have to import all the loops into your DAW

Probably me not understanding fully how to use the loops. Do you mean all of the 9 tracks that make up the one loop - say 140_BritRock1?

Yeah that's what I meant.

I was just pointing out that the loops in each BPM set (e.g. 140_BritRock1) can be used individually. Sometimes the input from one mic is all you need (particularly if you are going for a particular '60s sound). The stereo OH (overhead) loops sound fantastic all by themselves, for example. You might want to add more kick by also using the kick loop in combination with them, but you might not. Lots of options.

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[AlEebee]

Not sure I entirely understand your final para when you say

you don't have to import all the loops into your DAW

Probably me not understanding fully how to use the loops. Do you mean all of the 9 tracks that make up the one loop - say 140_BritRock1?

Yeah that's what I meant.

I was just pointing out that the loops in each BPM set (e.g. 140_BritRock1) can be used individually. Sometimes the input from one mic is all you need (particularly if you are going for a particular '60s sound). The stereo OH (overhead) loops sound fantastic all by themselves, for example. You might want to add more kick by also using the kick loop in combination with them, but you might not. Lots of options.

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Fine, I get your drift now

I agree there is plenty in overhead pair & think it should be possible to save a lot of hassle by just importing those loops alone from the whole set into DC purely for preview purposes

[gmontano]

Squids is it permissible to split the GB with someone? If someone just wants the loops and the other just the plug in, can one person buy it, split the cost (behind the scenes) and each person gets what they wants? I don't see why one couldn't do this, but not sure if there is some language in the license prohibiting this.

[geoffrey]

I would be willing to do that with someone..
Geoff

[gmontano]

i'd like the loops ...

[geoffrey]

If Squids gives this the okay, a new thread will need to be started. I want the loops too.
G.

[iaminsane+]

I use loops for song writing, but usually replace with a real drummer, so for this and other reasons, I don't need the loops. I also don't need T-Racks as I have all like processing plugs covered with UAD.

But I would be interested in CSR. I am kinda hoping I can pick it up cheap from someone in this GB who already had it or didn't need it.

So anyway - for anyone wanting to sell CSR after the GB, I'm interested.

[Caleb]

T-Racks is a must-have. Why? Well, it's too good not to have for one thing. I'm not a huge fan of the dinosaur logo and the GUI in general but looks can be deceiving. The modeling itself sounds every bit as stellar as something from my UAD card... only I can run it on all of my machines and my UAD stays in one PC! So, to me, it is like a mini UAD suite of plug-ins (just not photo realistic to the gear that was modeled). It's a very warm, punchy box of tricks and just too useful of a tool not to have in your set up. I'm totally serious. Put it on vocals and you will be amazed. Run multi-track or stereo drums through it and WOW it comes to life. Go grab the demo and try it out yourself. Just turn up the input knobs of the compressor and limiter and that alone will knock you out!

Really?!

I didn't realise it was that big a deal. In fact I tended to think (obviously incorrectly) that it was dinosaur in logo and dinosaur in design. Well - not quite - but I thought it was yesterday's news.

Do you actually use this plug on your own production work Squids? I see you've mentioned UAD, so I'm guessing that's your main thing - but how often does T-Racks find its way into your own "stuff"?

I tend to use Reaper's set of free plugs when it comes to some of this stuff mainly because I find the plugs themselves fairly easy and intuitive to use. I'm DEFINITELY no audio engineer so I tend to follow some fairly basic and possibly stupid rules when it comes to this stage of the process. Because of this I've always steered away from comprehensive and higher priced solutions.

Love CSR though - got that in some bargain crossgrade offer in the past and wouldn't part with it for all the tea....well you know the expression. Maybe I should wait for the next amazing deal of the century from IKM.

The Studio ProFile multi-track grooves however aren't what I would call "Must-have" UNLESS you are an engineer, producer, songwriter or musician who wants to jam with, write with, mix etc. grooves of these particular retro STYLES. Then, how could you miss out on it if you're a Beatles, Zep or Motown fan? I know I couldn't resist it. So it all depends on that. Or if you're creative and even if you do hip hop or electronic (the Beastie Boys also did a rap song using that Levee Breaks beat years ago from Zep). Anyway, it's more specific. It's not something everyone must have. Not general enough for that. More esoteric (like the rare and vintage GB we did). The right person KNOWS it's up their alley - at least when they start to read what is being said about them and the wheels start turning. This group buy has some really interesting cool stuff!

OK - so maybe this particular group buy is not for me. I'm not particularly concerned with sounding like Beatles, Motown, Led Zepplin with my drums and the way you're explaining it makes me feel like I have to be a particular type of person to really get into the products.

I think I'm more in the "general" category when it comes to these things. Sometimes when you're talking about how you're using the same microphone as so-and-so and the same drumkit as the one so-and-so used, I have to confess that my eyes start glazing over.

Now reading you back here I begin to understand that this is really targeting a certain kind of person - and I'm just not that person.

Actually - you haven't exactly been hiding this in your posts, it's just that the paragraph above finally clicked with me. Sometimes I'm a bit slow.

In any case, I have some questions in the Studio Profiles post in your company forum talking more about what I'm looking for - so I'll just pursue things there.

Regards
Caleb

[Caleb]

Yeah - I think the multi-track REX idea sounds good and I'm interested in the product concept - it's just that there's possibly something in the same vein that's more appropriate.

I had a listen to the demos and I thought - this sounds like someone drumming - because it was.
And the description of what makes the multi-track content special (in format not in emulation/era) speaks to me, so that's why I became interested.

I just think there's possibly a more appropriate Studio Profiles (or whatever) for me.

Regards
Caleb

[bendedavis]

Just signed up. The drum stuff sounds really good and the price for T-racks and CSR is too good to pass up.