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xtp wrote: youve probably seen this but its kinda cool

The video is quite cool and the transcription certainly makes up for a great learning vehicle, but the music is exactly one of the reasons why I hated studying that stuff. No melodic lines, just senseless 8th note blurb with almost no exceptions (and so that nobody gets me wrong: I like Coltrane for what he's achieved and sometimes for his playing, too). And that's exactly what and how most jazz students (especially sax players) practise. Endless excersizes of continuos 8th notes (usually scales or arpeggios) over whatever changes. As said, a great thing for practising, but very often you can just hear those very excersizes in their actual soloing, which is always driving me completely mad. And yes, there's countless examples of how one could do better, especially coming from piano players.

Well, maybe it's just that I usually hate saxophone soloing, having been helplessly exposed to them for the larger part of my musician's life, due to the fact that almost every commercial production I worked in seemed to need a sax player - and as there's usually no horn section which they would actually make sense in, all that's left is like offering them each and every solo over an entire evening. Bleh!
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.

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There where some things that Al DeMeola did that I know I can't play. Spanish guitar sounding songs. I can't recall the names. He could really do some amazing stuff. I saw him in concert back in the late 80's in AsburyPark NJ, as well as Pat Metheny at the Paramount Theatre. That was my favorite concert. I don't know if it was the music or the mushrooms.
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Sascha Franck wrote:
xtp wrote: youve probably seen this but its kinda cool

The video is quite cool and the transcription certainly makes up for a great learning vehicle, but the music is exactly one of the reasons why I hated studying that stuff. No melodic lines, just senseless 8th note blurb with almost no exceptions (and so that nobody gets me wrong: I like Coltrane for what he's achieved and sometimes for his playing, too). And that's exactly what and how most jazz students (especially sax players) practise. Endless excersizes of continuos 8th notes (usually scales or arpeggios) over whatever changes. As said, a great thing for practising, but very often you can just hear those very excersizes in their actual soloing, which is always driving me completely mad. And yes, there's countless examples of how one could do better, especially coming from piano players.

Well, maybe it's just that I usually hate saxophone soloing, having been helplessly exposed to them for the larger part of my musician's life, due to the fact that almost every commercial production I worked in seemed to need a sax player - and as there's usually no horn section which they would actually make sense in, all that's left is like offering them each and every solo over an entire evening. Bleh!
I have to admit 'John Coltrane' is not a personal fav of mine, but thats just because i personally dont like his sense of timing. I thought that vid was cool but from an arty perspective. I have never had any desire to play anyone elses jazz compositions tho'.

Jazzwise my fav guitarist is Kenny Burrell. He tends to groove a lot. Strangely i just replaced my record collection of his and the only ones i did not buy on cd were his collaborations with Coltrane.

Burrell has worked with some cool musicians over the years. Turrentine,Jacquet and Hawkins to name some of my personal favs



His solo in this isnt one of his better ones but the song grooves along.

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xtp wrote: Jazzwise my fav guitarist is Kenny Burrell. He tends to groove a lot.
Yeah, I like Burrell a lot. Usually not much of those quick lines and stuff, but some very tasty chord melody things, especially when he's playing themes. I remember having to transcribe one of his themes/solos (I think it was "When The Lights Are Low") and it certainly taught me a lot.

Talking about groove and timing, as a guitar player, I still think George Benson is tough to beat in that area. I find the "inner timing" of his lines and stuff to be just amazingly groovy.
There are 3 kinds of people:
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Sascha,
Can you give some examples of Benson stuff you like? I only know the stuff that got radio airplay.
G.
There is geometry in the humming of the strings, there is music in the spacing of the spheres. Pythagoras

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geoffrey wrote:Sascha
Can you give some examples of Benson stuff you like? I only know the stuff that got radio airplay.
G.
Admittedly, I have never listened to much of his older jazz stuff but more to the newer things (which often are considered being too commercial or so). I really like some of the older disco-oriented albums "Breezin'" and "In Flight" (oh yes, I dig disco music in general). And if you want to listen to some of his best playing of that time, I highly recommend giving "The World Is A Ghetto" a go:

f**king incredibly groovy disco-stuff. And you should really listen carefully to the entire 9 minutes of that track, the piano solo is just great as well and Harvey Mason has got to be one of my alltime favourite drummers anyways (listen to the interaction of his playing and Mr. Benson's soloing in the end, fantastic).

From the newer releases, I tend to like "Standing Together", even if it's really not spectacular. But his playing is as masterful as it gets.

Fwiw, there's several live clips of George Benson on YouTube, quite some of them very enjoyable IMO.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.

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Hi Sascha,
Thanks for the advice. I love the song,"The World is a Ghetto" too!
There is geometry in the humming of the strings, there is music in the spacing of the spheres. Pythagoras

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