KVR Audio

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:52 pm

@AQ: Long as you (and others!) can keep from slipping in personal digs, seems to me the technical points you're bringing up are appropriate for this catch-all thread. Just remember that TMTOWTDI and not every standard in the book gets followed religiously... or even occasionally, in some instances.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:57 pm

Meffy wrote:@AQ: Long as you (and others!) can keep from slipping in personal digs, seems to me the technical points you're bringing up are appropriate for this catch-all thread. Just remember that TMTOWTDI and not every standard in the book gets followed religiously... or even occasionally, in some instances.

I know Meffy. And I'm trying to keep it civil and constructive (though you'll see AD already started in with the digs. I don't care about that though, I'm tuff. It's lies about my product that set me off.)

I just really think the guy needs to consider the attitude that he approaches these things with. We had this discussion already months ago. Someone who wants to use his synth can't because of the issue. He could have fixed it 10 times for the time spent telling us everybody else is wrong... just can't help but speak up.

And I WOULD like to see this product be useful. I'd use it! And I think that's the gist of the OP's topic.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:09 pm

Everyone's got their own take on how to go about things. Make suggestions, give information and opinion, but don't try to insist. You know that would be counter-productive.

steve brunch · Post by **steve brunch** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:11 pm

i kinda like that aciddose is such a c**t

Kloz · Post by **Kloz** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:46 pm

popmoney wrote:
Hey Kloz,
Do u have any presets u could post, or anyone else for that matter?
Cheers

...hi !

...I have a new aproach to my music. I just load synth like Xhip and other "small interface" synths and dial the sound that i like...i secuence a 4/6/8/12/16 bar loop (dependes on the day)...and freeze/flatten in ableton live
i use some of those things in a sampler and such...sometimes i do use Xhip as it is...in particular for the supersaw...since is impossible for me to "loop" in a sampler a supersaw without a losing the feeling of the synth.
i am more of a SAMPLER fan for real...but i like to have nice and easy synth around !

also...i use about 3 instance in Live's Rack. so...i don't have any patch...i try to avoid that...

Xhip is easy to program. i just dial stuff that i am happy with really fast.

and if i am really out of my mind...i just use Element of Surprise by UGO !

I am not a OOOOHHH I'VE CREATED A MONSTER SYNTH PATCH...
(actually i am like that with MASSIVE...but then...i haven't used them in any song so far !!!)

but more like OOOOOH I'VE CREATED A SYNTH LINE AND I'VE PROCESSED A 100 TIMES AND NOW I CAN'T REMBER MY NAME...BUT MEN IT SOUNDS WEIRD AND ATRACTIVE !!

for some time i've been putting "limits" to my tools in order to develope "creative" workarounds...

yeah...maybe weird....but i've been lost in the sea of multiples options and modulation and stuff for many years....i am finally finding my way now. Slowly.

anyway...i am ALMOST sure that i saw a bank of patches in some KVR signature in this tread... it's over 90 pages but it shouldn't be so hard to find !

anyone knows who is the user with these ?

nollock · Post by **nollock** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:47 pm

aciddose wrote:that's either changed recently, or the page differs from the actual spec. the spec states clearly that all note-on messages must always be followed by note-off messages, even if a allnotesoff is presented - and that the allnotesoff message must be presented after all note-off messages have already been.

Yes what it's saying is that you shouldnt use allNotesOff in place of using actual individual noteOffs. But that doesnt change the fact that you are actualy supposed to turn all notes off in response to an allNotesOff message. The two things are not mutualy exclusive.

And I agree 100% that a host sending an allNotesOff message in place of individual noteOff messages is broken.

But imho not turning all notes off in response to an allNotesOff message is broken behaviour also.

So the bug (if this is actualy what it is) is basicly a coicidence of broken usage of allNotesOff, and broken handling of allNotesOff.

cheul · Post by **cheul** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:30 pm

Wow I really didn't want it to turn into yet another find. Hope I'm not making you waste your time aciddose.

I'll soon come up with my results regarding your mod. Thanks for your help.
I just have to finsh reinstalling my system.

cheul · Post by **cheul** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:29 pm

Ok I ran a quick test on some bass line I had.

But it doesn't solve the pb... rather creates a new one, here's what happens :
with Respect AllNotesOFf flag activated, when I pause/stop the playback in the middle of a MIDI note, the sound is effectively cut. But when I start the playback again... simply no more sounds coming out of Xhip.

Maybe asking Fuzzpilz how he solved the "bug" on Oatmeal would save some time, with all due respect... I mean the symptoms where exactly the same.

offensive-teenager · Post by **offensive-teenager** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:09 pm

YES BUT CAN SOMEONE NOW FINALLY MAKE SOME SUPERSAW PATCHES FOR ME?

Kloz · Post by **Kloz** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:16 pm

i am no master in the area of supersaw....but...

isn't that just the saw osc with the width modulated and unison active ?

or what do you mean ?

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:52 pm

i'm beginning to think he's joking, and the other, uh, what's his handle... i'm sure you know who i'm talking about anyway is a sock-puppet.

well, chuel, we'll have to spend plenty of time to debug it then. i'll work in some code to write a debugging log regarding midi messages and we'll see where we go from there.

there may also be a bug in my "allnotesoff" function, i'll check for that. it seems very odd that you'd get absolutely no sound, though

aquar · Post by **aquar** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:26 am

aciddose wrote:i'm beginning to think he's joking, and the other, uh, what's his handle... i'm sure you know who i'm talking about anyway is a sock-puppet.

Rofl.
good luck fixing your broken synth.

all the kings horses...

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:11 am

ok, obviously a sock puppet. i'm not just "beginning to think" either, i've known for quite some time. already stated this in this thread.

the synth was never broken, it's the host that's broken.

http://xhip.cjb.net/xhip/releases/0/6/1 ... 6.16.1.zip <-- works perfectly

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:38 am

contrary wrote:You forgot the predictable, almost obligitory swipe at the interface. (where's Walton when you need him??).

Oh, I'm here, just quietly amusing myself.

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:56 am

Thanks for the update Aciddose!

XHip--Please finish your synth!!