Kontakt 2/3 extremely useful guitar trick

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Hi folks,
no, this is not my own idea by any means, but it cost me two days of experimenting and web research to get this running, so maybe it's useful for some of you, too.
-- I'm a guitar player myself, and I wouldn't leave any guitar samples in a final mix, no discussion.
-- Writing / arranging is different, though. I simply hate having to rerecord the acoustic rhythm every time I change something in the arrangement - what a pita !
-- Wouldn't you like a great sounding strummed steel string in Kontakt ?
You already got it, but NI did a stellar job of hiding it from us lowly customers. :roll:
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-- Load one of the four Akkord Guitar presets, they only differ in the amount of included chord types.
-- click the "edit wrench", the script window appears.
-- The 1st tab is active with that completely useless step sequencer gizmo.
Immediately press "Bypass" in the top left corner.
-- Select the 2nd tab, "key trigger", activate it, done !

-- Create two MIDI tracks both routed to that Kontakt patch, one called "chords" and the other called "groove".
-- The "chords" track contains the harmony information, entered anywhere below C4 (essential !).
If you want 4 bars "am - G - F - E7" for example, enter one 1/1 note of A and C each in the 1st bar, 1/1 note of G in the 2nd and 1/1 note of F in the 3ed bar, and finally one 1/1 note of E and D each in the 4th bar - voila !
Chord recognition like in those auto accompaniment thingies, in doubt experiment.
Root only means major, root + b3 means minor, root + b7 means dominant 7 ...
-- Still, you don't hear anything.
Insert the desired down- and upstrokes into the "groove" track.
The velocity determines the volume of that down- or upstroke, the length determines, well, guess what ? :wink:
C4 Downstroke - normal
Db4 Upstroke - normal
D4 Downstroke - loud
Eb4 Upstroke - loud
E4 Leftoff
F4 Downstroke - muted
F#4 Upstroke - muted
G4 Leftoff release: play and hold e.g. D4, then hit G4
and release D4: the leftoff sample is played
G#4 - D6 Noises
-- That's it, great sounding strummed acoustic for you !
-- In case you encounter problems when changing chords, simply shorten the notes of the chord track by a few ticks
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-- Thanks to all those whose little bits of information combined finally led me on the right track, and to NI for creating this fantastic sample set and hiding it so well !
-- Have fun,
susiwong
Last edited by susiwong on Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:43 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Well, they didn't hide it from me, and a lot of others. I've been using it since the day I got K2. There was quite a discussion about it here and on the NI forums at the time, IIRC.

The only thing I never understood was why no one seems to have added any strumming script presets to those already offered. I would have thought SOMEONE would have offered something like this on the NI site. Unless they did and I missed it.:hihi:

Glad you enjoy it.

Cheers
-B
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...

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Hi Berfab,
did a lot of searching the NI forums (for "Akkord Guitar"), most posts I found were questions and only very few rudimentary answers.
Anyway, never claimed it to be my own achievement.
Somehow I don't understand NI, Akkord Guitar wipes the floor with Virtual Guitarist and the like (for strummed steel strings) imho, and they don't even remotely use it for marketing.
Yes, it's partially documented in the K2 (not K3 !) library manual, chord recognition only though. Then in the update notes for K2.x the new "key trigger" script is mentioned with the "strum keys" I cited.
WTF, saves me loads of headaches.
And when the song structure is done, I'll take my Gibson Jumbo, some nice mics and record the tracks for real.
Cheers,
susiwong

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susiwong-
I responded to your post without realizing it was you. :oops: Sorry about that.
In any event, I recall some discussion about some liking it so much that they were using it to get some fast results for clients.

My own personal preference is to scroll all the way down the list of presets where there are actually 2 song emulation presets that are extremely useful: 51st, and Wonderwall. I find that these give a varied enough strum style that often, nothing else is needed.

I also have my own preferred FX settings with just the right amount of CHR/DEL/VERB to give it life.

I recall reading somewhere that the instrument is actually a compilation of over 3,000 actual strum samples. It is a very complete instrument. For most of the stuff I do, I only use the 'lite' version which saves a ton of memory. But the full version has an amazing array of chord types.

The only reason it doesn't really compete with the pro packages you mention is the lack of an electric guitar emulation that does the same thing. It does have an "Elektrik" instrument, but this is a completely different animal IMHO.

I've actually had some limited succes running AKKORD through Guitar Rig and/or Amplitube to get an electric sound, but with very limited success.

Cheers
-B
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...

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Hi Berfab,
just to make sure, since you're talking about presets :
The method I'm talking about is different - it doesn't even use that step sequencer thingie, it bypasses it completely, so there is no need for presets.
The way Akkord Guitar loads it's close to unusable imho, even if you could program that step sequencer fluently you could only use up to 10 user patterns and 32 strum pattern steps per song which isn't even remotely enough for a simple 3 min song.
And then, the included patterns almost all are much too busy, artistic or plain weird to fit in a real arrangement.
That's why I'm so excited about the almost undocumented alternative mode I described above, no limits anymore to your song structure, much better control over every aspect of the rhythm and, best of all, quick and intuitive to work with.
A halfway decent keyboard player (which I'm not) could even use it live, though it sure would be tiring for the right hand.
And since NI did sample real individual strums for each chord type and all 12 semitones (no pitch shifting or assembling chords from single notes) it's close enough to a real recording to even fool some fellow musicians, like you said.
Still, for the final version I prefer recording 2 or 3 real acoustic guitar tracks, adds some life imho you'd be hard pressed to get from samples.
Have a nice day,
susiwong

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Hey susiwong.

Thanks for the tip. I find your info very useful! I wasn't aware that there was such functionality hidden inside Akkord Guitar...

Cheers.
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I never noticed this before, so thanks for the tip! I'll give it a try this weekend. :)
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just FYI for those owning K2, too :
the above info is not available anywhere in the K3 docs afaik, but you can find :
-- a description of the chord recognition and all samples chord types in the pdf "Kontakt 2 Library Documentation" pp 42 to 46,
-- The new key trigger script (which is the core of the whole thing) is briefly mentioned in a "what's new" file for K2.x (don't recall which atm, but the trigger key info can be found in my 1st post)
Cheers,
susiwong

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metal, deastman,
try it, it's much harder to describe than to actually use it, in fact it's completely intuitive imho.
Have fun,
susiwong

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Thanks everyone for this info...good to know these things.

- KB
Citizen K Productions

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Wow, I didn't know this could be done. I've got K2 and 3 so I have the documentation but don't even remember anything about this. Maybe I read the documentation before it was put in there?

Anyways, great tip. I always wished it had this functionality but didn't realize it was right under my nose! Thanks!

Cheers!

Brent
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koolkeys wrote:Maybe I read the documentation before it was put in there?
Ha ha, thats a good one.

There is a user of Chris Hein - Guitars in the UK, who told me,
he deleted all CHG-Samples in K2,
and replaced them with some Balaleika samples from Ethno-World.
Now he strums his Balaleika with the CHG Chord-Mode.
How cool is that?

This is also possible with any instrument of Chris Hein - Bass,
because a part of the Chord-Mode is also included.

Happy strumming!
http://www.wizardserver.de/forum/JazzGu ... _Drums.mp3

Chris Hein
Chris Hein - Horns:
http://www.chrishein.net

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...everyone should have a copy of CHG :tu: - best-sounding and above all the most easy-to-use guitar library there is. And since the single instruments are available as individual downloads with their own Kontakt Player it's a true steal for 89€. I remember when I bought VG for 249€ and it was so limited. It took a whole while to get that smile off my face the first time I played with a CHG instrument...


(but you should change the GUI, Chris :D)

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loachm wrote:(but you should change the GUI, Chris :D)
No problem, if you have any suggestions, let me know, the developers tools in K2 are a bit limited.

But first I have to by a pictue frame and put your nice words in it.
;-) thanks,

Chris Hein
Chris Hein - Horns:
http://www.chrishein.net

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I :love: the Kontakt 2+3 strumming presets.
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