The Mix Genii Materclass Suggestion Thread

[ckatrun411]

Your splitting hairs with language. I can't be bothered with this. I put everything in quotes.

" a guideline " an " idea "

This is a waste of time. My mixes are pretty tight. Getting better all the time. When I listen to my tracks, they are NOT louder than a major label, they aren't severely clipped. I don't often have mud from reverb or other things.

I think its pretty much common knowledge that you might, or might not make a drum sub mix. I don't know what you want to call this, " a guideline, technique, or idea." You might want to pan your hatz left, or shit, you might want to pan them right. Perhaps you want them dead center? I still don't care. Most albums will have hi htz and such panned to one side.

Is it a guideline? Is just a technique that has been developed?


jdtrbn when you put your bass in your mix, where do you put it? Hard Left?

If you answer no, and I ask why. And if you answer yes. Then I will also ask why?

" guidelines, techniques, or ideas," tell us that bass comes center. That is what I do. I put my bass center.

So what? Your point? I am following the " guideline" of putting my bass in the center of my mix.


Where do you put your bass?

[synaesthesia]

Ah... too late.

[Cordelia]

SARcazm,
Thanks for starting this thread. Great idea!
Kim,
I'd love to participate in this.
Don't let this thread get thrown too far off. The discussion of mixing techniques should be a part of the "class", not a part of this thread.
What can be done to get this organized? How can I help?

[shogger]

Ah... too late.

Hopefully not. Kim?

Shogger

[Kim Lajoie]

Ah... too late.

Hopefully not. Kim?

Shogger

I think it was a reference to a post at the bottom of page 1:

Quickly though... before this thread becomes just another KVR disagreement-fest!

I'm still in the process of sorting out the details of how this workshop can be done. Probably start next week. If anyone has any further ideas, I'm happy to hear them in this thread.

-Kim.

[SARcazm]

I mainly intended this as a mixing workshop, not production/sound design, so style is largely irrelevant here. Kim is wearing both Producer and Musician hats and us pleb mixing participants merely trying to get his sound (whether we like it or not doesn't matter; it's the techniques to get it sounding right that'll benefit us).

My thinking is that Kim gives us a raw track once a week (maybe in .wav) and also posts his version of the processed track (in mp3?). Our job would be to get that raw track to sound approxiamtely like the processed track.
Kim can talk about how to get from a to b (using comps, eqs, deessers, etc), maybe also highlighting particular techniques and giving some hints along the way.

After posting our efforts, Kim (and others I guess) can point out areas which are lacking and suggestions to improve them. I also recommend that we all add what plugs we used to process the track, including Kim; it might help with buying decisions down the line...

The following week, another track will be added and the same thing happens again.

using Kim's initial example, vocals would be the first week, then snare and vocals the 2nd, etc, until the full mix is complete.

Perhaps at the end, we can all remix the full track to add our individual particular flavours, but I'd hope that the during the bulk of the course, we're merely learning how to achieve known results.

what do you all think.

P.S. Once this starts, Kim, please start another thread, so we can keep the bickering to this one

[Kim Lajoie]

I mainly intended this as a mixing workshop, not production/sound design, so style is largely irrelevant here. Kim is wearing both Producer and Musician hats and us pleb mixing participants merely trying to get his sound (whether we like it or not doesn't matter; it's the techniques to get it sounding right that'll benefit us).

True. I'm not going to pretend that I'm telling you how to get YOUR sound... just some "hands-on-insight" into how I get my sound.

It's a reference point, a stick in the mud. If you're not sure how to get YOUR sound, at least taking a look inside one of my mixes and using your own studio to get there might give you an idea of what works and what doesn't.

My thinking is that Kim gives us a raw track once a week (maybe in .wav) and also posts his version of the processed track (in mp3?). Our job would be to get that raw track to sound approxiamtely like the processed track.
Kim can talk about how to get from a to b (using comps, eqs, deessers, etc), maybe also highlighting particular techniques and giving some hints along the way.

I think it'll be more appropriate to provide all the tracks at once, so that everyone can get a sense of the direction of the mix and make some decisions about their own production values.

I don't mind people taking these tracks and taking a different approach to me throughout this process - so long as they have a definite direction of their own (for example: lighter, thicker, emptier, thicker, rougher, etc). Then I can still give useful feedback (for example: if you wanted it lighter, try a lower ratio on the vocal compressor).

Dispite having all the tracks available at once, I think it will still be useful to focus on one mix element at a time. So, even though everyone will have the whole mix in their studios, I'll only expect people to work on (and upload) the topic under discussion.

I also recommend that we all add what plugs we used to process the track, including Kim; it might help with buying decisions down the line...

I'll have to think about this. Keep in mind that I have a professional relationship with eSoundz, which is affiliated with Sonic Reality and IK Multimedia. I'll let you know.

-Kim.

[Cordelia]

OK, I wrote a big long post just before I read Kim's reply.
So, now, I'll just say this sounds great.

[jdtrbn]

Your splitting hairs with language. I can't be bothered with this. I put everything in quotes.

" a guideline " an " idea "

...

Is it a guideline? Is just a technique that has been developed?

jdtrbn when you put your bass in your mix, where do you put it? Hard Left?

...

So what? Your point? I am following the " guideline" of putting my bass in the center of my mix.

Really, I think you're getting unnecessarily personal here. I've never meant to attack you, it's just that from the original post I got the impression that you were trying to teach others and I wanted to clarify things in case someone would take it all for what it's worth. And I really think there's a difference between and idea and a guideline. If quotes alter their meaning then I can just say that I'm still having trouble following you.

Innocent bystanders, sorry for starting this.

[Cordelia]

Your splitting hairs with language. I can't be bothered with this. I put everything in quotes.

" a guideline " an " idea "

...

Is it a guideline? Is just a technique that has been developed?

jdtrbn when you put your bass in your mix, where do you put it? Hard Left?

...

So what? Your point? I am following the " guideline" of putting my bass in the center of my mix.

Really, I think you're getting unnecessarily personal here. I've never meant to attack you, it's just that from the original post I got the impression that you were trying to teach others and I wanted to clarify things in case someone would take it all for what it's worth. And I really think there's a difference between and idea and a guideline. If quotes alter their meaning then I can just say that I'm still having trouble following you.

Innocent bystanders, sorry for starting this.

Not your fault, jdtrbn. Threads like this pop up when ckatrun is around. I think he likes to derail.

[Kim Lajoie]

Ok.

Anyone who is going to participate, please email me at: workshop at kimlajoie dot com with the following details:
1) Your KVR name (so I know who's who)
2) Your first name (so I can address you in private conversations)
3) The day(s) of the week when you'll spend time on this (so I know how to schedule the sessions)
4) Your preference for which song we mix. You can choose from any vocal song on my website, or any other which I may have posted in the past.
5) Your preference for WAV or MP3 audio downloads

-Kim.

[shogger]

Hi Kim,

any news on this one?

Shogger

[Kim Lajoie]

Yeah, it's taking a few days for some people to get in contact. We'll probably start this weekend or next week.

-Kim.

[shogger]

Cool,

just wanted to know. I'm not in a hurry.

Shogger

[Kim Lajoie]

Oh, look at that...

-Kim.