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lmnop · Post by **lmnop** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:46 am

I am just learning how to program and was wondering why noone has back engineered the vst to rtas adapter in order to make a rtas to vst adpater. If someone has already done this on the dl, please send me a pm.

Xenakios · Post by **Xenakios** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:58 am

Because it is illegal?

Also I have a strong feeling the Digidesign hardware is somehow involved always with RTAS plugins too(*) (not only with Digidesign's TDM plugins) which might complicate reverse engineering a lot...At the least, it is very likely the RTAS plugins rely heavily on code in Pro Tools itself, again making reverse engineering a massive undertaking with very little rewards...

Digidesign and their proprietary systems are a dead-end.

I'd suggest you either buy some Pro Tools version to get access to RTAS/Audiosuite plugins or find alternatives to the plugins...

(*) Mainly to make the reverse engineering of the RTAS spec non-feasible, not for the actual processing of the audio.

lmnop · Post by **lmnop** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:05 am

Is it illegal to reverse engineer? If not, when does it become illegal? And in what country?

Xenakios · Post by **Xenakios** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:08 am

Well I guess at the privacy of your home you could do what you want, if you don't distribute the results in any way...

But what fun would that be?

lmnop · Post by **lmnop** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:16 am

If I make a working version and give it to a friend would that be breaking any laws?

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:52 pm

Digidesign is losing out on market-share because of their elitist tactics.
Their loss, not mine.
RTAS is overrated and too expensive anyways.
IMO

Greg

beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:25 am

lmnop wrote:If I make a working version and give it to a friend would that be breaking any laws?

If you reverse engineer the FXpansion vst-rtas adapter, then you would be breaking the EULA for that product. I suspect that FXpansion could sue you, not Digi.

On the other hand, if you use the Digi SDK to engineer rtas-vst, you would be breaking that EULA and Digi could sue you.

If you somehow miraculously engineer rtas-vst without either of those, then you would be in the clear. But since Digi owns the rtas technology, I doubt that it can be done without some infringement.

You would be breaking the law by making it. Giving or selling is the part that's NOT against the law

In any case, pm me when you have it working

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:25 pm

lmnop wrote:I am just learning how to program and was wondering why noone has back engineered the vst to rtas adapter in order to make a rtas to vst adpater.

When you've actually learned a bit about programming, you'll be able to work out the answer to that yourself.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:45 pm

siriusbliss wrote:Digidesign is losing out on market-share because of their elitist tactics.
Their loss, not mine.
RTAS is overrated and too expensive anyways.
IMO

Greg

And if you really want expensive, go TDM. Companies that have native and TDM versions of a plugin, usually charge twice as much for the TDM version.

Seeyouthen · Post by **Seeyouthen** » Tue May 20, 2025 12:13 am

Any idea how to get this plugin I have to go back to an old session... I can't find my receipt in any of my old emails.Was any other company doing this then? The plugin in pro tools for example is named "VSTsylenth"

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Wed May 21, 2025 4:13 pm

Are you FREAKING KIDDING ME?? This thread is nearly TWENTY years old!! AND there is NO mention of an actual plugin anywhere in it.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed May 21, 2025 6:16 pm

Seeyouthen wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 12:13 amWas any other company doing this then?

No.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Fri May 23, 2025 5:31 am

It seems there is still the FXpansion wrapper available:
https://www.fxpansion.com/products/vst-rtas-adapter/
And then you would need an old version of Sylenth…

This thread talks about it:
viewtopic.php?t=231998

I think an actual version of ProTools would still load the old session and Sylenth has a AAX version…

The original question was the other way round though. But I don’t know of any RTAS only plugin that would be worth to wrap…

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri May 23, 2025 9:48 am

Tj Shredder wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 5:31 am It seems there is still the FXpansion wrapper available:

You think something that only properly supports VST2.3 and Windows XP is 'available'? No, that's a legacy product; if you'd looked properly you'd see there's no option to purchase it.
Its not available, in fact it hasnt been available for at least a decade.

Seeyouthen · Post by **Seeyouthen** » Fri May 23, 2025 9:21 pm

I ended up getting an installer and sure enough it was fxpansion. My sessions loaded up perfectly.

Now the only issue I’m having is with VSL Vienna ensemble Pro 5. For some reason my usb elicenser is not being seen by my computer. I emailed VSL, they sent me a demo of 7 even though I told them that the version I had was version 5. The session doesn’t recall with 7. They can’t RMA because they don’t use syncrosoft anymore and steinberg can’t help me. My main instrument was stupidly served with VEPro5. Any ideas are welcomed.
I spent 279$ on a software. I’m still on the same computer… but I can no longer use it. This doesn’t make ethical sense

rtas to vst adapter?