The microtonal paradise

[stanlea]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/english/index.html

[runagate]

Nice thing to see but I don't really trust those trained monkeys.

"studied classical saxophone..." got laughed at by classical teachers for playing saxophone, repeatedlty beaten up by asian schoolgirls with their flutes...

what kind of curiculum vitae is that?

For other fellow reed-players may I once again recommend Bruno Bartollozzi's "New Sounds For Woodwinds" which has fingerings for quartertones, 6 tone colors for every semitone and quartertone, as well as extensive multiphonics including "aleatory" ones (which is smarty-pants way of saying "it's sound by chance because it's really hard and unpredictable, but if you give trained monkeys a snooty theory as to why you're making an irritating noise then it's ok, kind of like "screwing for jebus, don't tell your parents" or something like that).

[Caysi]

Awesome, lets make an already complicated system even more complicated! Lets have micro chords too =] rather than minor thirds and major thirds lets have minor minor, minor, middle, major major major thirds, with variations on the fifth note too, sounds great. Now, i want my guitar re-fretted for accuracy, as if the 24th fret wasn't hard enough to sustain.

if it aint broke. . . . .

[Architeuthis]

if it aint broke. . . . .

break it!

[jancivil]

It's interesting to see temperaments compared by cents detuned from 'consonant intervals' and all that stuff.

I'm kinda either/or, you stay on a solid tonic,
and concentrate on line, or go total chromatic; temperaments geared towards gradually you can't be in certain keys, I understand that, especially historically, but it is weird to me for, you know, what century is it now?...

I clicked on three pieces which all sounded like shit to me.

thank you for the link, certainly. I will explore that to see what other people think about things.

I heard a thing, made on a DAW actually, using an equal division of 24 tones per octave, sounded fantastic. I wish I could dig up what in the world it was. Maybe I'll be back with it.

[BertKoor]

This is the keyboard of the Fokker organ in 31-tone tuning:


Anyone cares to play?

[jancivil]

31-tone has been around a while, hasn't it? Bert, do you have a thumbnail sketch of the basic ideas behind it?
I'd rather hear it conversationally than in a text, if you know what I mean.

[BertKoor]

31-tone has been around a while, hasn't it?

Since 1555 probably.

Bert, do you have a thumbnail sketch of the basic ideas behind it?

It's all about getting as close as possible to just intonation while dividing the octave in not too many equal parts.

[jancivil]

Do you mean it's supposed to give the most acoustically pure, say thirds and fifths, on most tonics? And how skewed to say 'C'?

Most non-equal temperaments kind of say, well, these tonics where you'd get the most sharps from major key, or whatever, screw 'em.

never mind, this gives me it: [12 x 3 = 36]; after a cycle of 31 quarter-comma-tempered fifths, the 32nd pitch will be remarkably close to a pitch already existing in the system. thus five of Vicentino's 36 possibilities became practically redundant in this system.

Second way of doing it is ingenious and simple. Interesting that B# key.

[runagate]

I'm still astonished that no one used scala/FTS to retune their chords to the best-fit temperament. Best of both worlds. I can't do this as I don't know music theory well enough. Seems simple enough, though.

[stanlea]

I gave the link mainly for information. There's a ton of interesting stuff in the link section.
I don't want to evangelize KVR people with microtonality, so I'm very disappointed with such negative comments.

[jancivil]

My comments are inquisitive, I'm interested and appreciate the link, and I said so. My 'negative' comments are also kinda factual.

Hey cj, I'd have to go through some real changes to use that software, it's windows-specific and real geek work to use it otherwise. And not everyone uses software to make music.

I still feel kind of either/or, you enjoy a pure tonic that isn't compromised, or you go for the full magilla. (Or you bend the string like... or, maybe you can play a horn or a fiddle, I cannot.)

But, I like fudging things a lot too, so this is fascinating.

[stanlea]

No problems with your comments, jancivil.

[runagate]

I personally love microtonality. I just bought Fractal Tune Smithy so that I can retune VSTi accoring to .tun temperaments on-the-fly from my DAWs.

Well, and use it to generate fractal, fibonacci and other non-repeating rhythms.

[terragong]

get a tx81 z or sy77 and start..here are some more...
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/micro_tz.html