Magix drop Samplitude dongle...

[siriusbliss]

BTW, I think an 8 VST limit is a bit of a killer for such an expensive host.

Maybe if you using individual single output synths yes . But you can assign multiple outputs per VSTi . So for example you can have 16 outs for Kontakt or the like . So 16 x 8 gives you 128 tracks of Kontakt . Also you could also freeze the VSTi if you need to add another Synth past the 8 limit .

Regards
Kraznet

Or just plugin EnergyXT and add VST routing that way.

This per project VST deal is NOT really a limitation compared to what else you get with Samplitude.

it's apples to oranges comparisons to other hosts in this price-range anyways, so why worry?

Greg

[Coxy]

Might Steinberg follow I wonder?

Never!!!!

[HobbyCore]

If it were on mac, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

Bootcamp.

Greg

I hate windows. It's a steaming pile of shit.

In order to get things working well, you have to go through some trouble, disable half the computer.. for what? Making music every once in a while?

Or I can just open a box with a mac in it, turn it on, install logic and start working on a project at 64 samples latency. Get bored for a second? Go browse the web, or answer IM's during playback or check back and forth between my music library in itunes... you know, be functional.

I own 5 windows daw licenses, and I will not be using any of them ever again. One of them happens to be samplitude (v9)

[Kraznet]

Of course I am happy with Logic, it's amazing, but surely that doesn't mean I can't read other topics and post opinions, does it?

Of course you can . I always enjoy reading your posts anyway.

Regards
Kraznet

[hibidy]

sounds interesting, but I just don't have it in me to learn YET ANOTHER host

[captain caveman]

Yes a great product but not *that* good. I think it costs £200 a year to upgrade from the latest Samp Pro version to the next. I think it has easily the most expensive upgrade path compared to it's closest rivals feature wise(Cubase, Sonar, Logic)..................

I would be very happy to have a copy of Samp but either Magix cannot afford to drop the price to a more competitive level or they *can* afford to perhaps get the bulk of their income from their consumer level products and maintain or even increase the upgrade price for samplitude Pro.

A few years ago it was about £150 - £170 (every 18 months or so) it's £200 every year now. Far too pricey IMO. But it remains a great product just not competitive price wise with similar products.

The upgrade price is the thing that has put me off buying Samplitude Pro - it's rediculous if you skip a version.

As for whether or not they can afford price dropping, click here to see that maybe they cannot unless they sell a lot more units.

[billybk1]

As for whether or not they can afford price dropping, click here to see that maybe they cannot unless they sell a lot more units.

Holy smokes! That is not a promising trend for shareholders or for the end users for that matter.

[HobbyCore]

BTW, I think an 8 VST limit is a bit of a killer for such an expensive host.

Maybe if you using individual single output synths yes . But you can assign multiple outputs per VSTi . So for example you can have 16 outs for Kontakt or the like . So 16 x 8 gives you 128 tracks of Kontakt . Also you could also freeze the VSTi if you need to add another Synth past the 8 limit .

Regards
Kraznet

Or just plugin EnergyXT and add VST routing that way.

This per project VST deal is NOT really a limitation compared to what else you get with Samplitude.

it's apples to oranges comparisons to other hosts in this price-range anyways, so why worry?

Greg

I'm sorry, but logic 8 studio is the exact same price in the US and offers _far_ more. Cubase is quite close on the PC side along with sonar..

Samplitude's limited idea here is certainly apples and oranges with any other major sequencer in the range, it should be compared perhaps with limited versions of cubase or home studio.

[christianmusicmaker]

The upgrade price is the thing that has put me off buying Samplitude Pro - it's rediculous if you skip a version.

As for whether or not they can afford price dropping, click here to see that maybe they cannot unless they sell a lot more units.

Thanks for the link, that does not look good. Maybe the non dongled approach for Samplitude 10 DLV is a necessity not simply an option.

Samplitude *Pro* 11 may very well have a DLV as well. That would not surprise me.

I noticed that after starting the demo that I have to manually close the Wibu Code Meter service after I finish using Samplitude. Also the Code meter service starts up with windows automatically and runs as a background service even if Samplitude has *not* been started. I see no reason for this and find it intrusive.



I would have thought it should start when the application is started and also the software used for the dongle (Wibu code meter) should not even be in the download version if it only needs a serial.?!?!?!?

I think sadly this will be uninstalled. I'll re visit this when they drop the dongle software as well. It was worth a try I guess.

As for Price comparisons at £295 for Samplitude DLV with only 64 tracks it is in direct competition with the full flagship Sonar Producer version which costs far less and Cubase 4 (not the lesser studio version).

So for £295 Samplitude DLV is priced way above it's feature set considering the limitations it has.

[siriusbliss]

If it were on mac, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

Bootcamp.

Greg

I hate windows. It's a steaming pile of shit.

In order to get things working well, you have to go through some trouble, disable half the computer.. for what? Making music every once in a while?

Or I can just open a box with a mac in it, turn it on, install logic and start working on a project at 64 samples latency. Get bored for a second? Go browse the web, or answer IM's during playback or check back and forth between my music library in itunes... you know, be functional.

I own 5 windows daw licenses, and I will not be using any of them ever again. One of them happens to be samplitude (v9)

I hate WIndows, but am bored with being so locked down with Mac.
Everything you say you do I already do on three different PC's that I've totally hotrodded (whether it needed it or not is besides the point) for more audio/video editing performance.

Too bad you've spent money on licenses without getting any of them to run. Hmmmmmm....

You should sell them.

Greg

[siriusbliss]

BTW, I think an 8 VST limit is a bit of a killer for such an expensive host.

Maybe if you using individual single output synths yes . But you can assign multiple outputs per VSTi . So for example you can have 16 outs for Kontakt or the like . So 16 x 8 gives you 128 tracks of Kontakt . Also you could also freeze the VSTi if you need to add another Synth past the 8 limit .

Regards
Kraznet

Or just plugin EnergyXT and add VST routing that way.

This per project VST deal is NOT really a limitation compared to what else you get with Samplitude.

it's apples to oranges comparisons to other hosts in this price-range anyways, so why worry?

Greg

I'm sorry, but logic 8 studio is the exact same price in the US and offers _far_ more. Cubase is quite close on the PC side along with sonar..

Samplitude's limited idea here is certainly apples and oranges with any other major sequencer in the range, it should be compared perhaps with limited versions of cubase or home studio.

Having used and/or owned many other hosts, including all the other 'major' Culogibendotools, I can rightly say that until you dig into Samplitude you will not realize that feature for feature has many other things that the others simply don't have.

Sorry, but Logic and Cubase do not offer more for the price, and Sonar and Nuendo need too many other tweaks or plugins to get what comes native in Samplitude.

It's too bad a $100 difference here or there throws people off from what they're really getting with the undongled Samplitude.

Greg

[HobbyCore]

I hate WIndows, but am bored with being so locked down with Mac.
Everything you say you do I already do on three different PC's that I've totally hotrodded (whether it needed it or not is besides the point) for more audio/video editing performance.

Too bad you've spent money on licenses without getting any of them to run. Hmmmmmm....

You should sell them.

Greg

I've gotten the softwares to run to my needs (very low latency, moderate track count, heavy vst usage)

The issues is that to do so, you have to cripple the OS (windows). That is completely unreasonable to me.

[Bob Nova]

As for whether or not they can afford price dropping, click here to see that maybe they cannot unless they sell a lot more units.

Holy smokes! That is not a promising trend for shareholders or for the end users for that matter.

That explains it. The company isnt doing well obviously and everyone knows the economy is going into the shitter in the US and EU.Time to ship some units...fast.

i think they'll have to be more aggressive than that to get people to try it or switch hosts. The major competitors have been around for a long time and have big user bases.And then there's Reaper with very aggressive pricing.

A tough time to be the guy in the middle that many DAW users have never heard of.

[Bob Nova]

The issues is that to do so, you have to cripple the OS (windows). That is completely unreasonable to me.

Then you're obviously doing something wrong.

But no point feeding the OS Wars.

[christianmusicmaker]

Time to ship some units...fast.

i think they'll have to be more aggressive than that to get people to try it or switch hosts. The major competitors have been around for a long time and have big user bases.And then there's Reaper with very aggressive pricing.

A tough time to be the guy in the middle that many DAW users have never heard of.

Yes their pricing structure (full retail and upgrade) now seem very out of date. Also with Logics street price so low and slipping even lower over time, developers like Magix have two choices IMO...keep prices high and attempt to sustain their revenue stream that way, or drop their prices to remain competitive. I think the latter cannot be avoided at some point.

There are some superb hosts for very little cash outlay...Podium £45, Reaper £120 (or less - non commercial)..e.t.c so at some point Magix will either remove the Multicore limitation from Samplitude Music Studio (£69) or...drop the price of Samplitude DLV.

The Samplitude product line's price structure above Samplitude Music Studio is defintely looking very outdated.

The host market is certainly getting tougher. Logics price drop has hit hard. It now looks like the smaller host devs may benefit as peoples perception of Value for money host wise has changed considerably since Logic studios anouncement last year.

Apps like Podium and Reaper have progessed very well and offer very capable host feature sets that cover a lot of ground to say the least at very low cost.

There is I think pressure from both sides of the price spectrum for Magix...Logic at the top (feature wise and based on content) and smaller devs like Zynewave and Cockos.

I actually think Samplitude DLV and Samplitude Music Studio are too similar. I think there are less inserts in SMS, no multicore support and a lite version of Variverb instead of the full one that SDLV offers.

But £69 and £295 is clearly IMO *far* too much of a difference in price considering both IIRC have 64 tracks. Even if Magix clipped SMS to 48 tracks it would just make it far less competitive for it's price range.

I would drop SMS completely from the product line and bring SDLV's price down to sub £100, put a lite version of Variverb in (if that is what is pushing the price up), do away with Code meter software totally, and have a much more competitive product.

Anyway that is a problem for Magix to fix not me