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richwhite9 · Post by **richwhite9** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:18 pm

MitchK1989 wrote:And no one cares about OP-X because it's not even made by a dev. It's slapped together in synthedit, only available in one format/platform. Then he tries to sell a crippled reaktor version so he can say it runs on mac too.

Plenty of people use OB-X. It's popular in the community that doesn't have a crush on themselves. Don't you C purists have a memory leak to fix somewhere?

Chopper · Post by **Chopper** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:28 pm

MitchK1989 wrote:And no one cares about OP-X because it's not even made by a dev. It's slapped together in synthedit, only available in one format/platform. Then he tries to sell a crippled reaktor version so he can say it runs on mac too.

well, the Reaktor version is actually rather good...
great bass, leads, pads and such, and more importantly in that case, very close to the original...

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:49 pm

Chopper wrote:
MitchK1989 wrote:And no one cares about OP-X because it's not even made by a dev. It's slapped together in synthedit, only available in one format/platform. Then he tries to sell a crippled reaktor version so he can say it runs on mac too.
well, the Reaktor version is actually rather good...
great bass, leads, pads and such, and more importantly in that case, very close to the original...

It's about as close to a real Obby as any of my other synths that have a patch name like "ObbieX-8" and the like; it's kinda close, but it's not an Oberheim.

Devon

luxth · Post by **luxth** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:59 pm

close or not close it sounds pretty damn good to me

loungedumore · Post by **loungedumore** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:15 pm

Lets keep this about the mythical creature known as the Gforce S.O.B.

as for the other : do the right thing man ...make a real mac version !

ew · Post by ew » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:24 pm

MitchK1989 wrote:The gibson nonsense is just that, nonsense. Gmedia didn't get a license for the minimonsta, impOSCar, or Oddity did they? That's why they have different names. They don't jack up the price just so they can put the original brand name on it...

Creamware's MiniMAX and Prodysee also didn't have to pay a single cent to moog and whoever now owns the rights to ARP. Moog tried to sue them for modelling the filter too accurately and LOST. Roland has never managed to touch D16 beyond forcing them to change the GUIs a little.

Gmedia has nothing to worry about from Gibson. The precedent has clearly been set that as long as you don't specifically use trademarks of the company, emulations are perfectly fair.

Ah... wrong in Gibson's case. After Arturia had released the Moog Modular, they had a poll asking what they should emulate next; the overwhelming choice (3 to 1) was a Matrix-12 clone. They went so far as to announce that their next synth would be a M-12. A couple months later, they started testing their next product- a CS80 clone (the next most popular). From everything I've heard, it was Gibson who stopped it.

ew

beej · Post by **beej** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:37 pm

That's what I heard too. Given that I'd really like a good virtual Xpander/M12/OB8, I'm not too unhappy that Arturia were denied

but I don't have much hope for anyone else.

If you are trading/selling a product based on Gibson's intellectual property (this includes brand and model names, front panel design and other obviously recognisably derived things) they have grounds to send in the legal heavies (whether or not they'd win is somewhat up in the air, but seeing as Gibson are notoriously litigious, whether a smaller company could resist that kind of legal pressure is debateable.)

if you don't brand it as such, you could make the instrument, but couldn't market it as an Obie emulation, therefore making the product perhaps less desirable.

No idea what happened with the SOB though, and I'm as curious as the next person. I'd guess, as already stated, that they had started work on it, but then shelved it (either temporarily or permanently) based on technical issues, legal issues, or resource issues.

The fact that OP-X seems to have survived for so long suggests that either Gibson aren't aware of it, or they really don't care enough to do anything about it...

loungedumore · Post by **loungedumore** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:40 pm

ew wrote:
MitchK1989 wrote:The gibson nonsense is just that, nonsense. Gmedia didn't get a license for the minimonsta, impOSCar, or Oddity did they? That's why they have different names. They don't jack up the price just so they can put the original brand name on it...

Creamware's MiniMAX and Prodysee also didn't have to pay a single cent to moog and whoever now owns the rights to ARP. Moog tried to sue them for modelling the filter too accurately and LOST. Roland has never managed to touch D16 beyond forcing them to change the GUIs a little.

Gmedia has nothing to worry about from Gibson. The precedent has clearly been set that as long as you don't specifically use trademarks of the company, emulations are perfectly fair.

Ah... wrong in Gibson's case. After Arturia had released the Moog Modular, they had a poll asking what they should emulate next; the overwhelming choice (3 to 1) was a Matrix-12 clone. They went so far as to announce that their next synth would be a M-12. A couple months later, they started testing their next product- a CS80 clone (the next most popular). From everything I've heard, it was Gibson who stopped it.

ew

Maybe ?
Arturia set a president for themselves through licensing the Moog name .
That may make them a bigger target though .

As for Gmedia/Gforce they never specified ...well much all I know is what Dave Spiers said in : http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4018

loungedumore · Post by **loungedumore** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:45 pm

Sorry wrong podcast .
I will find the right one .....

MitchK1989 · Post by **MitchK1989** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:56 pm

Arturia only does emulations with the trademarks and license of the original manufacturer.

Gibson could go ahead and deny that to Arturia, but that won't stop Gforce.

loungedumore · Post by **loungedumore** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:00 pm

MitchK1989 wrote:Arturia only does emulations with the trademarks and license of the original manufacturer.

Gibson could go ahead and deny that to Arturia, but that won't stop Gforce.

Amen / lets hope so
Still looking for that damned pod cast !

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:30 pm

So true, don't even get me started on Studio Vision Pro. Such a capable beast for it's time. I think a bunch of the stuff on my site was actually recorded with it. I later moved to Deck/Metro, which, btw, still exists and Metro became quite the DAW by v4. I think it can be found if you search for Metro and Sagan tech or something. I know the developer. Good guy.

I never quite get Gibson's position on all this. I watched them f*ck with the Echoplex and Steinberger over the years as well. What's the point of it?

Mark

Bob Nova wrote:Gibson are notorious for sueing over anything to do with brands that they own;they've done it many times with products that are dormant or not made for years.

Their buying and subsequent destruction of Opcode and their Studio Vision sequencer was astounding in it's stupidity.Gibson wont licence anyone to do an Obie . Maybe when nobody gives a shit about them anymore in 20 years or so.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:57 pm

Hahaaha. awesome. All I know is that I sure have a memory leak.

richwhite9 wrote:
MitchK1989 wrote:And no one cares about OP-X because it's not even made by a dev. It's slapped together in synthedit, only available in one format/platform. Then he tries to sell a crippled reaktor version so he can say it runs on mac too.
Plenty of people use OB-X. It's popular in the community that doesn't have a crush on themselves. Don't you C purists have a memory leak to fix somewhere?

Bob Nova · Post by **Bob Nova** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:15 pm

zerocrossing wrote:So true, don't even get me started on Studio Vision Pro. Such a capable beast for it's time. ...

I never quite get Gibson's position on all this. I watched them f*ck with the Echoplex and Steinberger over the years as well. What's the point of it?

Mark

No one could figure it out.Ex-Opcode employees who were there and watched it happen coudnt understand it either.

When Gibson buys a company, it just goes into a black hole.They rarely do ANYthing with the techology they acquire. The question always is "Why did they bother buying it in the first place?" And no one knows.

Gibson could make $ licensing the Obie name, but based on their past actions they probably sent a cease and desist letter to the developer and refused to even discuss a licensing deal.

As long as Gibson owns the rights to Oberheim, you'll never see a softsynth with that name on it.

longbongsilver · Post by **longbongsilver** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:59 pm

Bob Nova wrote:
When Gibson buys a company, it just goes into a black hole.They rarely do ANYthing with the techology they acquire. The question always is "Why did they bother buying it in the first place?" And no one knows.

It's almost like they buy companies that they hate just to take the products away from other people.

Gmedia S.O.B.