blortblort- MIRABA_-_20Fosse_Aux_Lions08 song 2

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@Jazzy- very glad ya like it :D


@any1particular- since you asked...I've set up the description of how I got this sound (best as i can "reverse engineer" my Ableton Live 7 set up...):

1 - put drumloop in audio track
2 - added hematohm and set up some presets.
3 - Ohmforce plugs have a "time" parameter. This time parameter describes in seconds, how long to take to morph from on preset to another. Also- most hosts can record aLL the automation while changing from one preset to the next.
so... once I had my hematohm presets created, I copied several back to back instances of the loop into Live's Arrangement view, set hematohm's "time" to 3 seconds, armed the global record button in Live, hit play, then I changed presets.
4 - Once I was happy with my hematohm "pass", I added Ohmboyz and repeated the above process (created presets, armed record and changed Ohmboyz presets)
5 - now, I have a pretty interesting sounding soup, but to make things a little more interesting, I resampled 11 2 bar clips from that original hematohm/Ohmboyz pass.
6 - i then set the 11 clips in their own audio track In session view. i then set up a series of *legato* follow actions so that these clips would switch from one to the next randomly every bar. We'll call this the "random track"
7 - next, I resampled the "random track" and used that 36 bars back to back 4 times (= length of the piece) This is the only portion of the piece that actually sounds the same each time ;)
8 - positioned the panning of the random track and the track in step 7 at about 10 and 2 o'clock.
9 - sent the output from "random track" to another open audio track. Sent that output to a MIDI track on which I load MST ReSynFX (that instrument resynthesizes it's audio input in realtime. Much fun to be had there!)
10- set the input of an open audio track to receive the output of the feed from "random track". the OUTPUT of that track was sent to the input of a midi track where I loaded Expert Sleeper's CrossFade Loop Synth. I have also used Live's Scale Midi plug to react only to octaves so that the "pitches" that the loop synth spits out are always rhythmically compatible (ie .25, .5, 1, 2, etc= midi octaves divide or multiply the original plybk time by these numbers)
11- sent the output of the Crossfade Loop Synth to open audio track
12- to the audio track being fed by CrossFade Loop Synth output, I added Ohmygod,Ohmicide,UHBIK-F(beta), Live fx rack with 4 instances of Grain Delay (all instances MIDI'd to PitchBend controller so that the input could be pitched up or down 3 octaves...), MFM2, and byd-Sinnister(agressive compression)
13- added 2 midi tracks: one to control Ohmygod set to Poly mode and the other midi track to control the Melohman option in Ohmicide (set Melohman to "all octaves). I wrote a patch that "tuned" decimation distortions to the pitch of the audio input from normal scaled instruments (it's "SynthBBDecimation.pbk" if you own the plug...pretty kniffty, if I do say so me self ;))


so...as you may be able to tell from this rambly dissection- It's a pretty CPU intensive set up. Or at least it's a tad complex on the routings- but that is the beauty of Live: once you get used to the way it accomodates things, routings are not so much a problem (it becomes more of a chore to get it all on one screen!)

while the above description is probably not as informative as a youtube vid, it's the best I can manage... and speaking of which- If you ARE a Live user, there are lots of cool vids with neat tips and tricks on youtube if you have the time an inclination :tu:

[edits for clarity...if you can believe that]

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Very nice blort^2! With all these Miraba tunes, I keep forgeting which ones I've listened to!

The diversity of sounds you got from your one drum loop is astounding. :)

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blortblort wrote: 1 - put drumloop in audio track
2 - added hematohm and set up some presets.
3 - Ohmforce plugs have a "time" parameter. This time parameter describes in seconds, how long to take to morph from on preset to another. Also- most hosts can record aLL the automation while changing from one preset to the next.
so... once I had my hematohm presets created, I copied several back to back instances of the loop into Live's Arrangement view, set hematohm's "time" to 3 seconds, armed the global record button in Live, hit play, then I changed presets.
4 - Once I was happy with my hematohm "pass", I added Ohmboyz and repeated the above process (created presets, armed record and changed Ohmboyz presets)
5 - now, I have a pretty interesting sounding soup, but to make things a little more interesting, I resampled 11 2 bar clips from that original hematohm/Ohmboyz pass.
6 - i then set the 11 clips in their own audio track In session view. i then set up a series of *legato* follow actions so that these clips would switch from one to the next randomly every bar. We'll call this the "random track"
7 - next, I resampled the "random track" and used that 36 bars back to back 4 times (= length of the piece) This is the only portion of the piece that actually sounds the same each time ;)
8 - positioned the panning of the random track and the track in step 7 at about 10 and 2 o'clock.
9 - sent the output from "random track" to another open audio track. Sent that output to a MIDI track on which I load MST ReSynFX (that instrument resynthesizes it's audio input in realtime. Much fun to be had there!)
10- set the input of an open audio track to receive the output of the feed from "random track". the OUTPUT of that track was sent to the input of a midi track where I loaded Expert Sleeper's CrossFade Loop Synth. I have also used Live's Scale Midi plug to react only to octaves so that the "pitches" that the loop synth spits out are always rhythmically compatible (ie .25, .5, 1, 2, etc= midi octaves divide or multiply the original plybk time by these numbers)
11- sent the output of the Crossfade Loop Synth to open audio track
12- to the audio track being fed by CrossFade Loop Synth output, I added Ohmygod,Ohmicide,UHBIK-F(beta), Live fx rack with 4 instances of Grain Delay (all instances MIDI'd to PitchBend controller so that the input could be pitched up or down 3 octaves...), MFM2, and byd-Sinnister(agressive compression)
13- added 2 midi tracks: one to control Ohmygod set to Poly mode and the other midi track to control the Melohman option in Ohmicide (set Melohman to "all octaves). I wrote a patch that "tuned" decimation distortions to the pitch of the audio input from normal scaled instruments (it's "SynthBBDecimation.pbk" if you own the plug...pretty kniffty, if I do say so me self ;))
This isn't a description ...
this is a lecture :)

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@any1particular- since you asked...I've set up the description of how I got this sound (best as i can "reverse engineer" my Ableton Live 7 set up...):

If you ARE a Live user, there are lots of cool vids with neat tips and tricks on youtube if you have the time an inclination

Hello blortblort.

Wow. Thank you so much for the detailed explaination for your very cool composition. I'm afriad your technical expertise is far and above mine.

However, I'm sure I'll be able to pick up some tricks from your discription and come up with my owm coolness.

I am a Live user. I still consider myself a neophyte. I've been using Live for about 2 years.

I have checked out some groovy Ableton vids on YouTube. There is alot of shit to sort through.

If you have links to some of your faves and are willing to share them, it would certainly be appreciated!

Thanks again for the inspiration!

You the Man!!!!

Warm regards,

Chuck

http://boxstr.com/files/1726159_f0ole/S ... %20Mp3.mp3

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Thanks for the kind words, any1! though there are MANY in just the kvr ranks that far outshine my ability. I am consistently awed by what I hear just on this music cafe.

as for specific resources for more about Live use?:
check out justin3am's loop mangling tutorial amongst other goodies on this link

check out Tom Cosm's ableton tutorials on youtube(this is a link to just the first one of several related ones. you'll see the other links on the rh side of the page...and yes the first part of this particular vid is about how nice new Zeland is...well, duh! :lol: you'll see, part 2 forward is a bit more informative ;) )

see vieris' frequency divider racks for Live amongst all the other great resources on this link...

these are only the ones that pop to the top of my head. I know there are other gems out there on youtube, etc.
best advice i can give ya is to experiment in Live. nothing is really a waste of time. Even if you find what you're doing does not work, you will have learned from it!
and besides, you can stumble across some really cool stuff ocassionally just by poking about ;)
second best advise: don't immediately dismiss something you may consider as a mistake initially. Sometimes those mistakes are gold.

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blortblort makes an excellent point.

The secret to using all sorts of techniques is experimentation.
It's good to read the manuals, it's great to slog through the tutorials is you've got the attention span, but then getting to know your tools is the most important and that can only be done through "playing around" - fearlessly!!!

And then paying attention and thinking about why the sound you just got happened. You will rapidly build up an arsenal of sounds and techniques.

One really, really great trick is parameter automation splines or whatever your host calls drawing auntomation. Set some parameters in an fx chain to automate, scribble some random crap on each track, and listen. When you hear something that intrigues you, hit pause and look at the plug-ins, even save their states as .fxp presets, give it a memorable name and wallah! You have a new sound, a new fx chain, and possibly insight into a new technique.

Damn, I haven't done that in forever and I really should.

That being said, here's my reaction to blortblort's desription:

:o :-o :shock: :shock: :-o :o

holy crap!

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So in my multimedia portfolio I will integrate a credit section for all you guys and therefore I'd like to know what you saw in my picture (For you in the 2 pictures) ?
What's your interpretation concerning the contents and purpose ... in short what grabbed you ? ;-)

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I kinda explained it in the original post, but here is a more expanded version:

When I started working on the tune that became "MIRABA_-_20Fosse_Aux_Lions08(MTY-bb)", it was more as an experiment...however, the more I worked with the sound routings, the results put me in mind of the way this painting is layered. That is what grabbed me the most in the painting (20Fosse Aux Lions08) It is the layering that at initially belies the images underneath.
It appears to me that there is a much less complex source under all the layers... sort of like this piece- which is the result of the abuse of a single drum loop

[hope that's better than my original explanation :D ]

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blortblort wrote:[hope that's better than my original explanation :D ]
Almost ;-)
You descripe it from the musician point of view and what you've done ... I meant imagine if you stand in front of the pictures (let's say in a exhibition) ... and you hear the friendly voice of a lovely lady explaining what the artist did mean with his artwork ...
So be the lovely lady now :D

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AHHH!...I see what you mean now...however- while I think that listening to others attempts at defining what an artist may have "intended" with a work of art, I never attempt to know the mind of the artist. :wink: I can only tell you what the art moved *me* to feel.
btw- my parole officer says it's not a good idea for me to "be the lovely lady" anymore :D :P :lol:

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blortblort wrote:I can only tell you what the art moved *me* to feel.
That's what I meant actually ;-)
blortblort wrote:btw- my parole officer says it's not a good idea for me to "be the lovely lady" anymore :D :P :lol:
:lol:
Oh I see ... so it's better during the probation not to follow your inner impulse ... don't put the dress on :uhuhuh:

:D :hihi: :lol:

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