Alchemy: Features, discussion e.t.c

[koolkeys]

the big test will be trying the demo versions...oh i forgot, spec wont be doing one....

And neither do MOST large library products and romplers. Just because Camel Audio may do one(great for them, honestly) doesn't mean that Specs are somehow screwing anyone. They didn't offer demos of their previous libraries and instruments and I'd say they did pretty good.

If you want a demo, go to a store or wait for user feedback to start rolling in. Or wait for some more videos. I'm sure in the next few weeks there will be more than enough information for you to decide on.

Brent

[Kriminal]

the big test will be trying the demo versions...oh i forgot, spec wont be doing one....

And neither do MOST large library products and romplers. Just because Camel Audio may do one(great for them, honestly) doesn't mean that Specs are somehow screwing anyone. They didn't offer demos of their previous libraries and instruments and I'd say they did pretty good.

If you want a demo, go to a store or wait for user feedback to start rolling in. Or wait for some more videos. I'm sure in the next few weeks there will be more than enough information for you to decide on.

Brent

videos? i dont think so, i dont watch a video of a BMW to see if i want to buy it....going to a shop is ok, if they can spare the time to show you it, and someone who works there actually knows what they are talking about....

personally, if i cant demo a VST im not gonna buy it, simple as that.

I dont see why you cant make a cutdown version for ppl to try, others have, and while you may miss out on lots of sounds, at least you can get a look around the interface and test how well it works on you computer/host etc.

[bmanic]

Good to see Alchemy kicking Omnisphere butt in the poll

Yeah, that's the KVR-mentality I was talking about ...

Thx for proving my point.

I can't help but at this.



Cheers!
bManic

[1-2-Many]

You guys aren't serious right ? I mean, I bought Atmosphere earlier this year and it's a great plugin. I now get to buy the next great plugin - A completely new product that happens to contain the Atmosphere core sounds - for half price.....

And yet you want it cheaper, or complain the UK is a rip-off ?

Atmosphere isn't designed as a cheap way to get Omnisphere - it's a VST in it's own right. If you don't own it and want Omnisphere, just pony up the asking price, or get it for the same price but with another VST bundled in.

If you want it cheaper still - go write it yourself

You omit the key information, that upon the announcement of Omnisphere Spectrasonics promised a "terrific upgrade path" to those who purchase Atmosphere in the meantime. I suspect that many who had until this news passed on Atmosphere went and bought it on the promise of being a sweet path into Omni.

Now that the pricing has been revealed, their "grace deal" is rather underwhelming. In my case I bought Atmosphere shortly after they announced this "grace period deal" from Sweetwater for $279.99 Adding $199 gets me to $478.99 total. So I saved $1. Hardly "Terrific"

When you promise people a nice/terrific/sweet upgrade path for buying now, then give them something as sub-stellar as this you're bound to leave them feeling a bit lied to and disappointed.

It also turns out to be an excersize in futility - with the time spent purchasing, shipping, registering Atmosphere just to get this 'sweet' -$1 upgrade deal on Omni, which I now have to purchase, ship, and register as well.

EDIT - Not to mention that now, "by participating in this special upgrade offer, I will not be eligible to license transfer/resell my original Atmosphere or Omnisphere in the future" whereas had I just waited and bought it outright I could - how do you put a price on that?

This bad move really undercuts their credibility in my opinion. I've had good experience in the past at taking Eric for his word - I'll certainly be more careful in the future.

[Arglebargle]

Alchemy does look cool. Maybe I'll hold off on Omnisphere until this one comes out, and make a more informed decision.

[neverfall]

You guys aren't serious right ? I mean, I bought Atmosphere earlier this year and it's a great plugin. I now get to buy the next great plugin - A completely new product that happens to contain the Atmosphere core sounds - for half price.....

And yet you want it cheaper, or complain the UK is a rip-off ?

Atmosphere isn't designed as a cheap way to get Omnisphere - it's a VST in it's own right. If you don't own it and want Omnisphere, just pony up the asking price, or get it for the same price but with another VST bundled in.

If you want it cheaper still - go write it yourself

You omit the key information, that upon the announcement of Omnisphere Spectrasonics promised a "terrific upgrade path" to those who purchase Atmosphere in the meantime. I suspect that many who had until this news passed on Atmosphere went and bought it on the promise of being a sweet path into Omni.

Now that the pricing has been revealed, their "grace deal" is rather underwhelming. In my case I bought Atmosphere shortly after they announced this "grace period deal" from Sweetwater for $279.99 Adding $199 gets me to $478.99 total. So I saved $1. Hardly "Terrific"

When you promise people a nice/terrific/sweet upgrade path for buying now, then give them something as sub-stellar as this you're bound to leave them feeling a bit lied to and disappointed.

It also turns out to be an excersize in futility - with the time spent purchasing, shipping, registering Atmosphere just to get this 'sweet' -$1 upgrade deal on Omni, which I now have to purchase, ship, and register as well.

This bad move really undercuts their credibility in my opinion. I've had good experience in the past at taking Eric for his word - I'll certainly be more careful in the future.

AGreed.

I didn't have so much a problem with the 1st Atmosphere upgrade...and especially not the VIP upgrade...


Yeah but that that IntelMac/Recent Buyer upgrade didn't make much sense to me at all. I'd be a little pissed if I fell in that category.

[pdxindy]

the big test will be trying the demo versions...oh i forgot, spec wont be doing one....

And neither do MOST large library products and romplers.

Brent

Well, the whole point of Omnisphere is that it is supposed to be a synth, not just a rompler... A synth that you can create your own presets with. Synths usually have demos. A rompler you are basically buying the library while a synth you gotta dig into.

No demo, no interest from me either... I gotta work with something, see how it plays in my own set up...

[1-2-Many]

AGreed.

I didn't have so much a problem with the 1st Atmosphere upgrade...and especially not the VIP upgrade...

Yeah but that that IntelMac/Recent Buyer upgrade didn't make much sense to me at all. I'd be a little pissed if I fell in that category.

I did, and I am . . . Just a little

[Yuroun]

I stick with Absynth


(for a while)

[koalaboy]

AGreed.

I didn't have so much a problem with the 1st Atmosphere upgrade...and especially not the VIP upgrade...

Yeah but that that IntelMac/Recent Buyer upgrade didn't make much sense to me at all. I'd be a little pissed if I fell in that category.

I did, and I am . . . Just a little

You got 2 products for the price of one. If you didn't actually want Atmosphere, then you were purely trying to get Omnisphere cheap and that's a game you're playing - if you really want something cheap, wait until it drops in price, don't go trying to buy it on the first day of release.

If you wanted Atmosphere, it was a sweet deal. You just pay the difference to gain Omnisphere as well, and could have been using Atmosphere for most of the year already - I know I was.

Too many people think they should be able to get a new product for less than the creator is asking, as if it's a right - you can see it all the time with people asking in the marketplace where to buy a plugin, as they want it cheaper.

I wonder how many of these people make a living out of selling things they create, and how willing they'd be if everyone kept trying to buy their stuff for less money than they were asking ?

Especially when companies like Spectrasonics have decent licence policies, flexible with simple registration. If people keep trying to knock prices down, eventually these companies won't be able to sustain themselves.

I'm all for a bargain - just don't try and convince everyone that you've been ripped off because a company had the 'nerve' to ask a (very) decent price for their product.

</rant>

My own take on all of this, is I ask myself a very simple question - Could I produce what I'm buying for less ? If not, then it's a fair price. Could I buy it cheaper ? Well, I can look around but I shouldn't expect to get a deal, and if I'm not willing to pay the price, I don't get the product. It's that simple.

[Casar1973]

AGreed.

</rant>

My own take on all of this, is I ask myself a very simple question - Could I produce what I'm buying for less ? If not, then it's a fair price. Could I buy it cheaper ? Well, I can look around but I shouldn't expect to get a deal, and if I'm not willing to pay the price, I don't get the product. It's that simple.

Although your post seems to me as an exercise in stating the obvious, it is hitting the mark. I have not identified one single relevant reason to whine and complain about anything regarding this bonafida release. Except maybe the lack of audio demos on the site....but I think that may be a smart move in the end actually.

Last time I checked Spectrasonics wasn't offering welfare services. Because they provide quality, reliabilty and innovation, I feel that if their balance sheets improves, it will improve the settings for further innovations and the investments required to pull them off.

[koalaboy]

I absolutely feel they should try to get audio and video demos on the site, and around the net. As many as possible, and I'm sure they will to some extent - maybe not just right on the day of initial release.

A demo is a much harder thing to achieve, considering the size of the library. Even with a 1GB demo (not *that* big these days) it's only representing 1/40th of the supplied content and so not really representative, and of course they'd have to limit so much that it may not be worth the download in the first place.

Perhaps an interactive flash demo of the entire interface, with audio cues to demonstrate how the sounds varies, could help ?

Any studios should be able to write the cost off without thinking - it's not as if Spectrasonics are an unknown quantity.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but I'm trying to redress the balance with so many people demanding the moon on a stick (vic).

[christianmusicmaker]

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Last time I checked Spectrasonics wasn't offering welfare services.

Come on Casar1973. No need for that. Who is asking for "welfare" here?

Is a difference of opinion "welfare" in your opinion? Just because there are some of us that do not agree with the pricing structure for Omnisphere upgrades, that does not mean we want Eric to send us free copies of Omnisphere.

We don't want to pay more than is necessary IMO for Omnisphere and some of us feel we should / could pay less. Is that so hard to understand?

I know I'm stating the obvious, but I'm trying to redress the balance with so many people demanding the moon on a stick (vic).

What is this about? "moon on a stick" who is asking for that?

For whatever reason you guys seem to forget that Eric made it very clear the upgrade was going to be "terrific for Atmosphere customers" even late buyers.

I am quite happy to accept that some think it is great but why can't you guys accept some of do not think it is? I could easily say "here we go... fanboys that cannot accept their treasured app does not have total compliance with KVR members..."but I prefer to keep this thread open and not locked.

It's almost as if because it's Spectrasonics somehow we should stop moaning about it and pay up. As if anyone complaining should really know better by now

Why do you need MP3's?

Why do need a demo?

Why should Spectrasonics pricing be challenged?

It's the real world guys...we do not all see things the same way...does not mean we want "welfare" or the "moon on a stick"

I will almost certainly get both products at some point but please get over the fact that some of us are not happy with the upgrade pricing...it's ok not to agree on everything... without posting needless comments.

They didn't offer demos of their previous libraries and instruments and I'd say they did pretty good.

Definitely but so much has been said about the synth capabilities of Omnisphere that Specs reasoning for not offering a demo is more of a lack of need on their part than strictly an issue of size (in the case of Omnisphere IMO.

They could surely produce a demo that lets us use the synth with no samples. I get the impression it is indeed possible but they do not see the need for it. I doubt they will change their minds on that but it would be nice if they did.

[koolkeys]

Why do people somehow feel that the grace period deal was designed so they could get Omnisphere CHEAPER than retail price? That's not the point of grace periods at ALL. They are designed for people who may have bought a previous product, not knowing that it was soon going to be replaced. Do you really think that Spectrasonics just had the idea to give everyone the chance to save money on their brand new creation? That's silly.

Also, Eric has said in another thread just a few minutes ago that if for some reason the taxes and exchange rates make the price more altogether than Omnisphere, that they would refund the difference. If you don't think that is fair, then you are just expecting a special deal that really isn't fair to those who buy Omnisphere straight up.

Really, why is it so hard to grasp that this deal is completely fair?

Brent

[hotcheese]

delete me