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jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:51 pm

I've had this chord progression in my head since forever and it does'nt make sense to me. It's Cmin ,Gmin, Dmin, F , C and to me those chords should'nt go together nearly as well as they do.

I'm of the conservative branch who thinks using 7th chords i jazz.

No strictly C major/A minor for me (one day i swear i'll learn the difference. They're the same to me). I've actually used a diminished chord once in one of my songs but don't tell anyone.

For me this chord progression has far to many halftone steps to feel comfortable. Should be jazz territory but it isn't for some reason.

So hit me, what's the key to begin with ? Why isn't this jazz ?

I made a little quick demo for those off you who are curious how it sounds. It's a bit new ageish so thread carefully if you're sensitive to such.
http://www.box.net/shared/3izvbfsk46

I especially like when it goes from Cmin to C again. That's awesome.

architexture · Post by **architexture** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:18 pm

It seems to be fairly simple . It's either in the key of B flat major or C minor . If you want to label it clearly , It's in the key of C and transitions between a C minor 7th scale to a c major scale . as noted by the B flat/ A sharp and the E flat . B flat major is all white keys except B flat A sharp , and E flat . Nice progression .

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:27 pm

architexture wrote:It seems to be fairly simple . It's either in the key of B flat major or C minor . If you want to label it clearly , It's in the key of C and transitions between a C minor 7th scale to a c major scale . as noted by the B flat/ A sharp and the E flat . B flat major is all white keys except B flat A sharp , and E flat . Nice progression .

Unfortunatly i don't know much about music theory. This is to the best of my knowledge my first post in this forum.

B flat major or C minor makes sense except for the E in the C major chord.
Hmmm i thought it had more out of key notes than that. Maybe i should have double checked it. Well it's one, so it's borderline jazz anyways.

You completly lost me on the scales thingie but thanks for trying.

Musicologo · Post by **Musicologo** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:53 am

My opinion is that you have 2 keys. Your song is in G minor and D minor. And can be analysed this way

Cm = iv; Gm = i; Dm = v (in Gm) AND Dm = i; F = iii; C = VII (in Dm)

Why do I have this feeling?
Because when I play the plain chords, I feel: Cm -> Gm -> Dm (-> Gm) (missing)
I want to go back to Gm to end it in.

However you go to F. So it seems you already begun a path to elsewhere.
Taking then the Dm as a transition I can feel: Dm -> F -> C (-> Am -> Dm), where the perfect cadence is also missing.

So my theory is: You have a progression in Gm that is missing the last chord. And a progression in Dm where you miss the last 2 chords. You pick them up and you join them together.

tonAP · Post by **tonAP** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:14 am

Musicologo wrote:You have a progression in Cm that is missing the last chord.

Of course you meant Gm here: it was just a typo.. right?

Jokari · Post by **Jokari** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:01 am

Funny how with the slow chords the Gm->Dm->F reminds me of this:

I'd go with Musicologo on this one (though I hear the second part more as F major than D minor but I could be wrong).

tonAP · Post by **tonAP** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:21 am

Jokari wrote:I'd go with Musicologo on this one (though I hear the second part more as F major than D minor but I could be wrong).

Dm which is the relative natural minor of F.
So I'd say it's really a matter of taste..

Aleatoriac · Post by **Aleatoriac** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:37 am

jupiter8 wrote:I've had this chord progression in my head since forever and it does'nt make sense to me. It's Cmin ,Gmin, Dmin, F , C and to me those chords should'nt go together nearly as well as they do...

Why isn't this jazz ?

I made a little quick demo for those off you who are curious how it sounds. It's a bit new ageish so thread carefully if you're sensitive to such.
http://www.box.net/shared/3izvbfsk46

I especially like when it goes from Cmin to C again. That's awesome.

Yeah the end of it feels really Cmajory, just sounds like key changes, but it's really nice. Flows good.

Needs a hot nekkid chick singing in it. Well I can imagine her nekkid, can't I?

Musicologo · Post by **Musicologo** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:09 pm

Of course you meant Gm here: it was just a typo.. right?

Of course. You can deduct this from all the conversation backwards. Thanks for the correction. Is Gm and Dm (my opinion).

tonAP · Post by **tonAP** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:17 am

Musicologo wrote:Is Gm and Dm (my opinion).

I'm with you, but, since it's really a matter of taste..
It could be Bb and F as well:
Cm = ii; Gm = vi; Dm = iii (in Bb) [AND] Dm = vi; F = I; C = V (in F)
Taking always the Dm as a transition

MaliceX · Post by **MaliceX** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:59 am

To me it's simply C natural minor modulating to C major by convention of the chord progression and how they've fit in that sequence.

Melkor · Post by **Melkor** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:21 am

I would solo Cm over the first 2 chords and solo Dmin over the last 3.

To my ear it wants to resolve to Dm ...... it wants to finish on a BIG Dm chord.

It kinda reminds me of a progression i had a while ago

C - Cm C - Cm
Am - Asus2 Am - Asus2
F/A - F/A - G7 - G7
C - C - C - C

Analyze this!