Overloud TH1 Guitar System released!

[Compyfox]

Still not convincing, as everyone is saying that. Sorry.

Leaves only one question: what is the price?

[AndrewSimon]

Still not convincing, as everyone is saying that. Sorry.

Leaves only one question: what is the price?

No, the one and only question is how does it sound/feel.
Since there will be a demo, we will find out soon.

[Simone Coen]

Still not convincing, as everyone is saying that. Sorry.

Leaves only one question: what is the price?

I don't understand what you're refering to...

Mic positioning = it's continuous 3D positioning and no-one has that AFAIK
Mic and Cab CPU = Thomas Serafini is well known for his stubborn research for the best algorithm that will sound exactly the same but will hit the CPU lighter.

Check it yourself


Click for full size - Uploaded with plasq's Skitch

Here we have loaded and playing at 44.1 and 64 samples latency with an Ensemble Firewire interface and a MacPro 8 core 2.8 GHz:
- wha
- 3 overdrives (all on)
- 1 metal distortion
- 1 fuzz
- 1 chorus
- 1 tremolo
- 1 volume pedal
- 1 rack compressor
- 1 chorus/vibrato
- 1 phaser
- 2 amplifiers (1 SloDrive Lead channel, 1 Darkface '65 Normal channel)
- 2 cabinets (2x12, but that doesn't matter) with 2 mics each
- 1 swept delay
- 1 pitch shifter
- TH1 mixer
- 1 rack compressor
- 2 rack 2 band fully parametric studio EQs
- 1 flanger
- 1 tape delay
- 1 reverb (directly coming from our BREVERB)

On the same computer a rather basic setup from some of our competitors just eat the s*&$ out of this beast and on my 2.4 Core2Duo sometimes I can hardly run some presets.

Enough for you?

Regards,

S.

[Simone Coen]

Still not convincing, as everyone is saying that. Sorry.

Leaves only one question: what is the price?

No, the one and only question is how does it sound/feel.
Since there will be a demo, we will find out soon.

If you have a guitar track, send it to me and I'll demo it for you in the meantime.

Thanks for the objection: after all, even though we put quite some efforts and time (and money...) into making this UI and GUI, we started from sound. If we didn't felt that sound was definitely top-notch, then we'd never started this venture in a greatly overcrowded market.

Best,

[AndrewSimon]

Here the original Bogner XTC Clip - Boosted Blue Channel:
http://www.javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/lu ... hannel.wav

Here is the clean direct clip:
http://www.javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/lu ... 0clean.wav

Go for it.
Don't try to match the Bogner just come up with a good tone.

[Compyfox]

Still not convincing, as everyone is saying that. Sorry.

Leaves only one question: what is the price?

I don't understand what you're refering to...

The features are overwhelming, no doubt - but so are all other plugins with similar features. So not very convincing for me and no need to post that over and over. You plugin is just one among many - sorry about that.


My price Q is still unanswered, unless I overlooked that.

[AndrewSimon]

Still not convincing, as everyone is saying that. Sorry.

Leaves only one question: what is the price?

I don't understand what you're refering to...

The features are overwhelming, no doubt - but so are all other plugins with similar features. So not very convincing for me and no need to post that over and over. You plugin is just one among many - sorry about that.


My price Q is still unanswered, unless I overlooked that.

It's obviously more then what you will want to pay.... but why sweat it there are many budget or even free amp Sims out there.

[buscemi]

It's obviously more then what you will want to pay.... but why sweat it there are many budget or even free amp Sims out there.

Price is a legitimate question. No need to condescend. He's asking some critical questions, so what? I may have missed it but I don't recall the dev asking only for softball questions and laying out eggshells.

[AndrewSimon]

It's obviously more then what you will want to pay.... but why sweat it there are many budget or even free amp Sims out there.

Price is a legitimate question. No need to condescend. He's asking some critical questions, so what? I may have missed it but I don't recall the dev asking only for softball questions and laying out eggshells.

I'm sorry, if he already decided that this plug will be
"just one among many", nothing outstanding, "huge list of features but so are the competitors" then I can guarantee you he will not like the price because this plug will cost more then "the average competitor".

Let's put it this way.
The Overloud Reverb cost $369 (street price) how much do you think the TH1 will cost????

[Simone Coen]

Here the original Bogner XTC Clip - Boosted Blue Channel:
http://www.javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/lu ... hannel.wav

Here is the clean direct clip:
http://www.javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/lu ... 0clean.wav

Go for it.
Don't try to match the Bogner just come up with a good tone.

Going for it...

it's 2 am here... will work on it tomorrow though...

Best,

[Simone Coen]

It's obviously more then what you will want to pay.... but why sweat it there are many budget or even free amp Sims out there.

Price is a legitimate question. No need to condescend. He's asking some critical questions, so what? I may have missed it but I don't recall the dev asking only for softball questions and laying out eggshells.

I'm sorry, if he already decided that this plug will be
"just one among many", nothing outstanding, "huge list of features but so are the competitors" then I can guarantee you he will not like the price because this plug will cost more then "the average competitor".

Let's put it this way.
The Overloud Reverb cost $369 (street price) how much do you think the TH1 will cost????

Price Q was not answered since it's not setup yet 100%.

But a list price in the same range as Breverb is something very likely to happen.

Best,

[koolkeys]

Still not convincing, as everyone is saying that. Sorry.

Leaves only one question: what is the price?

I don't understand what you're refering to...

The features are overwhelming, no doubt - but so are all other plugins with similar features. So not very convincing for me and no need to post that over and over. You plugin is just one among many - sorry about that.

I don't know about that. Seems to me that even with listed features aside, the usability of this plugin might be better than anything else. Depends on what you need, I guess. But it seems to me like the ability to control the microphone is deeper than others, the completely flexibility and modularity, everything on one screen and the ability to jump to anywhere in your custom chain instantly(and change positions of modules, routing, etc.), along with all the live features that Simone listed already, are a good start at being different. Of course, sound matters and performance probably next in line. I'd also be interested in a full list of "modules". But I don't believe there is another guitar effects plugin that is THIS flexible. I don't own them all, no. I've tried several, and I'm only going by the information in this thread.

Maybe you just don't want to be impressed? Or maybe you're happy enough with what you have that you aren't really in the market for something new unless it absolutely breaks new ground that seemed impossible before, I don't know. Fair enough and everyone looks for something different. But I don't know how this isn't at least noticeably different from what is out there.

Brent

[sascha]

Hm... I think the rant is a bit unfair before the product is released. Let's try to be fair.

What interests me personally the most:
Will it sound better than the competition? I'm very picky about guitar tones, to my ear, AT & GR sound more or less like my Philishave

I think the majority of manufacturers goes more for the features than for the tone. Where is the sense in including hundreds of stomps, tons of amps and countless fx when the basic tone isn't set right. This is the major flaw in the system: 'ordinary' guitarists (often the better ones, btw.) don't use computers that much. The better musicians I know have actually fears of using one, but can compete with the best, sill-wise. Tools like these are prone to be for gearheads-only. This is the trap. Add too many options and you'll lose most of the many millions of excellent guitarists out there. It's no wonder why many still prefer Pods and Co., even if they sound inferiour (I'm using a V-Amp II, it simply has all I need, flexibility-wise, but being a bass player mainly, I'm a lousy guitarist... ). Having many options is okay for the studio guys, but it says nothing about the rest.
Also, many guitarists are conservative to the bone. Many don't change their setup for years or even decades. And many keep their setup simple. Who actually uses stereo setups? More than 5 stomps at once?

So the main question for me is: will TH-1 be yet another sim that has to be beefed up with fx in order to deliver 1000 ordinary synth sounds that are far from being 'real', or has it the ability to spice a good basic tone further up? This what was lacking for me all the time, be it AT, GR or Revalver.
Since many years, I'm aware of Thomas' abilities. So I'm curious if the promises can be trusted...

[Simone Coen]

Hi Sascha, your points are exactly the ones we're trying to address with TH1.
One remark though: Pods and similar are not at all easy to use IMHO since they require much more tech approach than some plugins. Plugins, if well designed (as you certainly know) can be much easier to use than hardwares... even if they lack the hardware 'touch'.
Our goal was and is: make it as simple as possible for people not knowing how to or not wanting to spend time tweaking stuff and 'deep' enough for people who love tweaking. We believe we hit a new ground here when it comes to user experience... hopefully.
This said: let's wait for the demo to be available, then I'll be all ears for helpful contributions like yours and koolkeys' one.

[Compyfox]

Or maybe you're happy enough with what you have that you aren't really in the market for something new unless it absolutely breaks new ground that seemed impossible before, I don't know.

Thing is... I have Line6 GearBox, I have AT2Duo, I have Revalver MkII SE, I have the Guitar Suite from SimulAnalog, also StudioDevil BVC (wanted to get VGA someday though) - not to mention that I could access all those free amps that're also available (like Freeted Synth Audio FreeAmp3). Now combine that with EnergyXT (if it doesn't crash on you first), add some other freeware EQs/comps and you get a similar setup - even though a hard to tweak one (cause none of them really sound good as "is"). Granted, not really latency free and/or for live play - but powerful, yet still not 100% convincing if I look at real hardware.


I paid for GearBox alone way over 500bucks already, AT2Duo was bundled with a sampleset that was expensive, so that is also adding up. Now let's say I pay 450USD once again for yet another amp system in plugin form (which pretty much seems like it), and I realize later "sounds just like the others, doesn't do what I intented it to do", I threw out nearly half a grand that I could have put into hardware instead - this is definitely not my cup of tea and this is the very same reason why I hate IKM's AT rip-off system and Line6's limited modulation/cabinet micing possibilties so much (as good as it might be).

Understandable that I'm not overflowing with happyness or bite the carrot at an instand, no?