Overloud TH1 Guitar System released!

[koolkeys]

Or maybe you're happy enough with what you have that you aren't really in the market for something new unless it absolutely breaks new ground that seemed impossible before, I don't know.

Thing is... I have Line6 GearBox, I have AT2Duo, I have Revalver MkII SE, I have the Guitar Suite from SimulAnalog, also StudioDevil BVC (wanted to get VGA someday though) - not to mention that I could access all those free amps that're also available (like Freeted Synth Audio FreeAmp3). Now combine that with EnergyXT (if it doesn't crash on you first), add some other freeware EQs/comps and you get a similar setup - even though a hard to tweak one (cause none of them really sound good as "is"). Granted, not really latency free and/or for live play - but powerful, yet still not 100% convincing if I look at real hardware.


I paid for GearBox alone way over 500bucks already, AT2Duo was bundled with a sampleset that was expensive, so that is also adding up. Now let's say I pay 450USD once again for yet another amp system in plugin form (which pretty much seems like it), and I realize later "sounds just like the others, doesn't do what I intented it to do", I threw out nearly half a grand that I could have put into hardware instead - this is definitely not my cup of tea and this is the very same reason why I hate IKM's AT rip-off system and Line6's limited modulation/cabinet micing possibilties so much (as good as it might be).

Understandable that I'm not overflowing with happyness or bite the carrot at an instand, no?

That's all fair enough, but it seems like you're judging a plugin before actually hearing it. Who knows, maybe it WILL be what you're looking for in sound? I mean, what if it sounded good enough to eliminate half of what you have and tidy up the workspace? I don't know if it IS that good, but it could be. We just can't hear it yet because it's not released yet. Maybe send an audio file to Simone as he suggested and see what you get back?

If it sounds good, then all the other features trickle down in importance. So if it sounds good to you, the interface and workflow may mean something more?

Brent

[Simone Coen]

I understand but don't agree.

But you're also assuming that you won't like TH1.
This said: since TH1 demo will be available, I can't see how you could buy it and after that discover that you don't like it.

Also, it helps to repeat that:
- nothing beats real hardware, but real hardware is heavy and has limited possibilities sometimes... and for some people is hard to use (what about a Mesa head at maximum volume in your bedroom?)
- modeling is there to emulate at its best hardware, making things lighter, sometimes easier to use, augmenting your sound possibilities by n-times... allowing you to process sound after recording (and in realtime) with as many plugs as you want or need.... to easily create custom chains than in real life take time or a very functional patch bay (and costly too) and so on...

[Niksounds]

Simone don't fall in temptation..

The only person that knows really the product is yourself

For the rest, here the people are talking on a product that is not just out..
only words.. in some contest stupid too..

imho.

[Simone Coen]

agreed...

but what are you referring to with temptation? please elaborate...

Simone

[shogger]

A certain fishy guy overhyped a certain other amp sim that hard that features alone can't bring excitement about a new amp sim plugin.
So I think it's a good thing to wait until we all can hear TH-1 and then talk about the sound and it's playability. Then things like cool and easy usability will do it's job. But in the end this is about sound and feel while playing.

Shogger

[Simone Coen]

Can't help but agree 100% with Shogger.

Best,

Simone

[koolkeys]

It seems around here that people like to be skeptical. Some people more than others. Heck, some people go around criticizing plugins and products they have never touched, whether it be to make themselves feel better with what they have, or just because they love to jump on bandwagons, or whatever. I am NOT saying that Compyfox is doing this, please don't get me wrong. Just trying to explain what the "temptation" would be caused by. But the "temptation" would be to let these things get to you and become over defensive. Some devs have fallen HARD in the past when doing so, to the point of completely leaving this place.

But as you know, KVR is a fantastic community, and there will always be those who are skeptical, most for good reasons(when money is involved, they do have a right, no doubt). But when you deliver a stellar product, it can be a breeding ground for new users through word of mouth.

So in other words, stick to your guns and don't let anyone put you on edge. I don't see anywhere that you've done this at all, but I think that's what he was talking about.

Brent

[Compyfox]

Who knows, maybe it WILL be what you're looking for in sound? I mean, what if it sounded good enough to eliminate half of what you have and tidy up the workspace? I don't know if it IS that good, but it could be.

To be like that, it must have the following possibilities (IMO):
- Tube Customizing System like Revalver
- the sound of GuitarSuite, Studio Devil VGA and some of the GearBox amps
- freely routable stompboxes (seems like it has it)
- full control over cabinets and amps (not locked)
- full control over microphone usage (for example EV RE20 for Guitar Cabin and not Bass Cabin like in GearBox), not to mention how "many" per cabin, and more than just D112, AKG414, SM57, U87 microphones (what about Electret Condenser mics?)
- "Room Sound" shouldn't be fake or at least being able to have some sound controls over it (unlike GearBox and the fakish sounding room from AT)
- The possibility to use the amps/cabinets alone
- The possibility to use the amps/cabinets in parallel for creating doubled takes at an instand
- Maybe the possibility to load own plugins/amps in the chain

Also important:
- if there're amp/cabin updates (like with GearBox), make them cheap (and not 80bucks for 3 amps, like GuitarRig) - but not release a new "plugin set" (like IKM)


If this is all included, along with very, very low latency and CPU usage for my Single Core 2,4GHz engine or it's even usable on an old Mac G3 with OS9.x, then chances are it will slim down my setup - though I don't expect that, as every plugin has it's own character.

We just can't hear it yet because it's not released yet. Maybe send an audio file to Simone as he suggested and see what you get back?

I can try to do that at a later state. I don't have the recordings from my engineering finals on my HDD (which has DI recordings of a Audioslave "Cochise" riff that we additionally recorded with a Marshall Tube Topend, a 4x12 Marshall Cabin, a U87, a EV N/D468 and a Prefer UCC-1420 Electret Condenser), or some quick powerchord stuff from friends of mine or even RealStrat. Not to mention that my ears are busted thanks to the late results of a cold I'm still suffering. But I'll see what I can do.

So if it sounds good to you, the interface and workflow may mean something more?

Like I said, there's more involved than just "sound" alone. Each plugin I meantioned earlier has a certain "sound" to it that's special. But you also kinda have to use them alltogether at one point to have the best of all worlds (at least IMO) - and that is getting expensive.

But you're also assuming that you won't like TH1.
This said: since TH1 demo will be available, I can't see how you could buy it and after that discover that you don't like it.

Depends on how unrestricted the demo is. If it's with audiodropouts and noise bursts - definitely a no-go for me. Same as with 20minute timelimits or 30days. I have very limited time in the studio, and if you're not working with guitar material daily or can't be be allowed to experiment, then 30days alone are faily short. Or if we talk about Revalver and Amplitube, that most of the interesting stuff is simply missing. Of course that's just my 2cents.

Also, it helps to repeat that:
- nothing beats real hardware, but real hardware is heavy and has limited possibilities sometimes... and for some people is hard to use (what about a Mesa head at maximum volume in your bedroom?)

Those who use a Mesa at max volume is simply nuts. We had to turn down out topend amps in terms of output, too. To me the input stage is important, and not overusing the output speakers/cabin. Again, just my opinion.

Granted, real hardware is limited to "one device" only and can be heavy no doubt. But if we're true on that, then software can sound totally different with different AD/DA devices, too.

- modeling is there to emulate at its best hardware, making things lighter, sometimes easier to use, augmenting your sound possibilities by n-times... allowing you to process sound after recording (and in realtime) with as many plugs as you want or need.... to easily create custom chains than in real life take time or a very functional patch bay (and costly too) and so on...

I can agree on that - though my counter argument would be CPU power and routing possibilities "in hosts". Which is why I grew fond of EnergyXT, if it wouldn't crash on me all the time.

But the "temptation" would be to let these things get to you and become over defensive. Some devs have fallen HARD in the past when doing so, to the point of completely leaving this place.

Oh yeah, like the recent incident which involved the removal of very interesting compressor plugins. I'm not critisizing here - I'm just very cautious and want to be on the save side, before I shell out half a grand for a new "tool".

[susiwong]

I think the majority of manufacturers goes more for the features than for the tone. Where is the sense in including hundreds of stomps, tons of amps and countless fx when the basic tone isn't set right.

Perfectly true. Features and stompbox FX are easy and cheap to add, real tone and feel especially in the slightly overdriven sounds take genius and guitar experience to get right.
Give me 5 convincing amps (when played dry !), a Plexi, a Twin, a Bassman, a Mk IIc and a DC30, and I'll buy it on the spot.
Throw in some meaningful additions like an 800, a Soldano, a Rectifier, an Echoplex or an Eventide if you want, great.
Everything else either falls under the "nice to have" or "gimmick" categories, like free stompbox routing or crap like that. Nobody uses that in the hardware world though it would be easy and cheap to do, simply because it's not needed.
Ymmv,
susiwong

[Sascha Franck]

Those smart switching features look pretty great (perhaps exactly what I may need).
If you still aren't 100% finished developing this thing and need someone to test it under live conditions (I'm already using a laptop for quite some jobs, let's say for around 50-80 a year), don't hesitate to contact me.

Cheers
Sascha

[Sascha Franck]

Here the original Bogner XTC Clip - Boosted Blue Channel:
http://www.javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/lu ... hannel.wav

Hm, I could never imagine using such a sound. Muddy, yet fizzy highs. Strange. Here's a quick attempt that I find to be sounding quite better:
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/KVR/NoBogner.mp3

[Simone Coen]

Here the original Bogner XTC Clip - Boosted Blue Channel:
http://www.javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/lu ... hannel.wav

Hm, I could never imagine using such a sound. Muddy, yet fizzy highs. Strange. Here's a quick attempt that I find to be sounding quite better:
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/KVR/NoBogner.mp3

I did some audio demos and will upload them soon... using the same audio file and with png as a reference...

Best regards,

Simone

[Niksounds]

argh..

gogogogogogo!!!

[Simone Coen]

Hi guys,

here are the audio demos I quickly did with the material given to me by AdrewSimon

Conditions:
- all files are normalized for easy comparison
- all files are totally RAW: the signal chain you see in the screenshot is everything that processed the dry track AndrewSimone gave me
- the 'rack' at the end of the chain has a simple hipass filter in order to make the sound clearer (remove some low rumble)
- the source track has a peak value around -4dB, this makes the amp sound a bit weaker than it could


www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/Rjmodernmodern.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/Rjmodernmodern.png

Modern setting

http://www.overloud.com/media/common/TH ... rnnine.mp3

http://www.overloud.com/media/common/TH ... rnnine.png

+ Tube Nine added

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/Rjmodernraw.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/Rjmodernraw.png

Raw setting

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/Rjmodernvint.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/Rjmodernvint.png

Vintage setting

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RJrock64.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RJrock64.png

Brit amp from 64: 2 x 12 open back with green clstn

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RJrock75.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RJrock75.png

Master volume Brit amp

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RJrock900.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RJrock900.png

Brit 900 amp

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RjSloDriveNine.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RjSloDriveNine.png

Slo 100 W amp with tube nine in front

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RjHeaVy51.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RjHeaVy51.png

that eddie amp

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RjSLR.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RjSLR.png

This shows the Seamless Live Remodeling control morphing between two amps. Full right... Amp B (rock 900)

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RjHalfSLR.mp3

www.overloud.com/media/common/TH1/RjHalfSLR.png

This shows the Seamless Live Remodeling control morphing between two amps. Setting is at half run.

I am trying to upload a Quicktime video with some playing around with cabs, mics, positioning and SLR.

Regards,

Simone

[dimitar]

http://www.overloud.com/media/common/TH ... veNine.mp3