Random sounds in the natural environment are never in tune, so why does it suddenly appear wrong after its put down on tape.
BTW for the new skoolers, "tape" in this context has been used as a collective term to describe all recordable media formats
In tune???
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
Can somebody explain to me why music needs to be in tune for it to sound "right"?
Random sounds in the natural environment are never in tune, so why does it suddenly appear wrong after its put down on tape.
BTW for the new skoolers, "tape" in this context has been used as a collective term to describe all recordable media formats
Random sounds in the natural environment are never in tune, so why does it suddenly appear wrong after its put down on tape.
BTW for the new skoolers, "tape" in this context has been used as a collective term to describe all recordable media formats
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- KVRist
- 97 posts since 8 May, 2004
I think chords and notes played within a certain scale work well together because some notes combined together create additional harmonics that will have a certain effect on other sounds played at the same time or in the progression of the melody. Playing sounds in tune will have a mostly more pleasing result because the harmonics created will work together to make pleasing frequencies. For instance If you use 2 or more different scales the harmonics will most likely interfere with eachother creating harmonics that are not so pleasing to hear ( to most people).
For instance : some combinations of synth sounds can together sound like a human choir, simply because of the sum of harmonics created will let you hear that.
On the other hand using different scales can also have effects like that, but generally speaking they dont mix well. ( i think )
music is maths, try to see it like that
But what can be agonizing sound to you might be very pleasant or at least interesting to others. What is nice or awful is ofcourse very subjective.
I believe ( but as you can tell by now i am no expert) it is good to learn the rules for music , and then, when you know these rules you can break them again as you please...
Most of all i think that playing in tune is what the human ear is used to hear, and recognition always makes people feel more comfortable then things they can not recognize as easily.
Just my 2 cents ( eurocents, that is, dollar is not doing to well )
For instance : some combinations of synth sounds can together sound like a human choir, simply because of the sum of harmonics created will let you hear that.
On the other hand using different scales can also have effects like that, but generally speaking they dont mix well. ( i think )
music is maths, try to see it like that
But what can be agonizing sound to you might be very pleasant or at least interesting to others. What is nice or awful is ofcourse very subjective.
I believe ( but as you can tell by now i am no expert) it is good to learn the rules for music , and then, when you know these rules you can break them again as you please...
Most of all i think that playing in tune is what the human ear is used to hear, and recognition always makes people feel more comfortable then things they can not recognize as easily.
Just my 2 cents ( eurocents, that is, dollar is not doing to well )
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- Banned
- 4072 posts since 7 Nov, 2007
Mushy Mushy wrote: Random sounds in the natural environment are never in tune, so why does it suddenly appear wrong after its put down on tape.
The definition of music is: Notes organized in time. Random sounds in the universe = random sounds of the universe. So to speak. There are plenty of debates about the true importance of musical key.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111275 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
it doesnt.Mushy Mushy wrote:Can somebody explain to me why music needs to be in tune for it to sound "right"?
use this as inspiration, work out why. free yourself from constraints of a few centuries, go your own way...Random sounds in the natural environment are never in tune, so why does it suddenly appear wrong after its put down on tape.
BTW for the new skoolers, "tape" in this context has been used as a collective term to describe all recordable media formats
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- KVRist
- 88 posts since 2 Sep, 2008
Consonance and Dissonance.
They are both important and their balance in a song is a matter of taste.
Consonance is harmony and dissonance is tension.
Both methods in music provoke emotional states and are equally important.
As Frank Zappa explained it, "The creation and destruction of harmonic and 'statistical' tensions is essential to the maintenance of compositional drama. Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consistent and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese." In other words, a composer cannot ensure a listener's liking by using exclusively consonant sounds. However, an excess of tension may disturb the listener. The balance between the two is essential.
They are both important and their balance in a song is a matter of taste.
Consonance is harmony and dissonance is tension.
Both methods in music provoke emotional states and are equally important.
As Frank Zappa explained it, "The creation and destruction of harmonic and 'statistical' tensions is essential to the maintenance of compositional drama. Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consistent and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese." In other words, a composer cannot ensure a listener's liking by using exclusively consonant sounds. However, an excess of tension may disturb the listener. The balance between the two is essential.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
WHAT!??!??!??!ckatrun411 wrote:Mushy Mushy wrote: Random sounds in the natural environment are never in tune, so why does it suddenly appear wrong after its put down on tape.
The definition of music is: Notes organized in time. Random sounds in the universe = random sounds of the universe. So to speak.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Frank Zappa also said, thinking of John Cage, the thing that qualifies an event as a (musical) composition vs. something that isn't one is the frame. Meaning, the intent: that you mean it to be a musical composition, therefore it is.