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me109 wrote: It's not a question of theory vs. practice if you want to be a complete musician. Both are necessary. If you're able to play well and express the emotions of the piece, then great, just practice. But if you're interested in what makes music tick and how to make your own music, it takes more to do it well.

Some have an inherent understanding of theory, and have been quite successful.
But it's been said that if you don't have the words in your vocabulary for a certain concept, it's difficult to conceive of it. Theory takes it out of the subconscious and lets you think more clearly and make informed decisions about your composing and arranging, just as the working knowledge of a sequencer allows you to be more productive with the tool.
What if you have ideas which supersede language. I'm talking to a machine these days, in terms of numbers, so what the f**k anyway.

As far as (objection to) the topic title goes, though: my working knowledge of my tools isn't really theoretical. I got in there, got my hands dirty, and proceeded. My objection is to pedantry, which you see in this board quite a lot; in lieu of practical knowledge, you get information, and often enough too much of it for the OP or OT. A lot of it will just impede rather than propel musical application.

"Theory takes it out of the subconcious". Ok, is that the most desirable thing for creation, in every case?

I don't think so.

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vurt wrote: i just dont find him all that "special". well no more special than any other musician/artist out there...
Yeah, but you like Prince, so....






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herodotus wrote:
vurt wrote: i just dont find him all that "special". well no more special than any other musician/artist out there...
Yeah, but you like Prince, so....






:wink:
i like anyone who is officially shorter than me, they make me feel big :)
but i dont go round quoting midgets as if they have the final word on anything.
dont get me wrong, zappa was a cool guy, he had a beard, but that doesnt make him it!
:ud:

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vurt wrote:
Meffy wrote:Looks to me as if the OP's less about theory vs. practice than A's theory vs. B's theory. *shrug* Zappa embraced musical devices that went far beyond what the guy writing in 1928 thought sounded "right." We live, we expand our horizons.
can we ban quoting zappa all the while as some be all and end all.
this isnt aimed at anyone in particular i just dont find him all that "special". well no more special than any other musician/artist out there...
I found it a valid point to my idea of a topic. Be all, end all, a practicing musician's ear should be the only thing that qualifies.

And to Nuffink, Honors curriculum over thirty years ago, Cinci Conserv. 4 + GPA.

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jancivil wrote:And to Nuffink, Honors curriculum over thirty years ago, Cinci Conserv. 4 + GPA.
phew! you win.
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jancivil wrote:
vurt wrote:
Meffy wrote:Looks to me as if the OP's less about theory vs. practice than A's theory vs. B's theory. *shrug* Zappa embraced musical devices that went far beyond what the guy writing in 1928 thought sounded "right." We live, we expand our horizons.
can we ban quoting zappa all the while as some be all and end all.
this isnt aimed at anyone in particular i just dont find him all that "special". well no more special than any other musician/artist out there...
I found it a valid point to my idea of a topic. Be all, end all, a practicing musician's ear should be the only thing that qualifies.
like i said, wasnt a particular thread or person using it that set me off. its just he seems to get quoted an awful lot round these parts and im just not one of these people who thinks because "musician a" said this, its true.
its not just zappa, its all of em. its pisses me off even when people quote for example syd barretts opinion on such n such as if it is fact, and i count him as numero uno in my musical life.
id just rather as creative people we had our own ideas, no more appeals to authority. or we may as well just have the one way of looking at things, which is right.
you cant have it all ways...
:ud:

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vurt wrote:i dont go round quoting midgets as if they have the final word on anything.
I do.


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I really don't like appeals to authority either. But if young musicians are going to imitate others (and they will, you know they will) I would prefer they tried to imitate Zappa rather than, say, Timbaland. :shrug:


I know this will never occur, but.....

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jancivil wrote:As far as (objection to) the topic title goes, though: my working knowledge of my tools isn't really theoretical. I got in there, got my hands dirty, and proceeded. My objection is to pedantry, which you see in this board quite a lot; in lieu of practical knowledge, you get information, and often enough too much of it for the OP or OT. A lot of it will just impede rather than propel musical application.

"Theory takes it out of the subconcious". Ok, is that the most desirable thing for creation, in every case?

I don't think so.
I didn't realize people were so passionate over here! I'm not trying to be pedantic. It's just been my feeling and experience that if musical knowledge is viewed from a reasonable perspective, that is, not viewing things as the "right way to do things" just because some important person says so, then that knowledge shouldn't impede anyone's creativity. It just expands their horizons. The down side to that is the amount of time that it takes to study it. We all have limited resources, time being the most important, and it's a personal decision whether we want to spend time studying theory, practicing, or inventing a new kind of wheel. Probably the important thing is to find a balance that suits you best.

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