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D.J.T. · Post by **D.J.T.** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:12 am

Welcome back AD

+1 for Branis's design.

gsoto · Post by **gsoto** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:00 am

aciddose wrote:i haven't been working on the xhip stuff the last week

aciddose wrote:the above is a rhodes 73 mk.1

Welcome back

Cheers to Limeflavour and Branis for those very nice designs.

bwwd · Post by **bwwd** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:45 am

Well i see a difference in GUI and now its more clear where is what and the new one should be default when finished.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:51 am

as for the branis design, i was just doing them in order. i actually wanted to do gsoto's first it's just he has his new layout and it would be semi-pointless. i needed to get the code tweaked and limeflavour2 was simpler - the basic implementation was there. after this i can move onto the branis one and i'll have most of the required implementation done already. after that i'll do the old gsoto layout if no other new ones are pushed out in the thread.

it's really just that all the modules and everything use the same code, so any work i do on anything at all is going to every single module at once. a lot of improvements for example got pushed back into the standard gui from changes i made for the limeflavour2 one.

Limeflavour · Post by **Limeflavour** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:07 am

starcraft, I would rather say my "gui" as you said is more of a skin variation on the default Xhip gui. I dunno where you actually got the idea that my skin is a tabbed version of gsoto's? look close and it's mostly the same as the default, but with as you said a frame.
It's made simple beacuase I was supposed to implement it, I don't have any experience in coding so there's the reason for it being simple. Now aciddose has been very kind and actually done the job for me, Thanks AD!
And I guess some people like oranges while other prefers apples, right?

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:58 pm

lf: when i'm doing a gui i usually just start by tweaking and moving stuff around. i didn't want to actually code the whole thing for you, but most of the work i did was with getting the gsoto sliders to work right and that sort of thing. now that it's all done, it was only a few minutes to put in the coordinates and guess at the proper offsets. i actually made some major changes since i think you had some bits too narrow, left too much space and that sort of thing.

so what you'll do is "maintain" the gui. i'll send the code and you can change fonts, colors, maybe play with the background or change it completely, change parameter names, sizes and all that kind of stuff. you might even want to move some controls around, switch places or even change the types of controls.

so, that'll all be up to you. you'll take feedback on it here in the thread or whatever else and you can make the simple changes. that's what i already had in mind. remember, i said "i don't want to get involved with the design, do the whole implementation or maintain the guis. the guis belong to whoever designs and implements them or their respective mockups, and they'll be maintained by those guys".

so the same thing will apply to gsoto, branis, and anybody else.

i'm always, always willing to help with technical code. i just don't want to do the really gui related stuff because honestly i couldn't care less. i'm not putting down the work, i love the guis i'm seeing and a lot of users really claim they need these sort of guis to make the synth look and feel as great as it sounds for them. i'm just personally pretty happy with the default gui or even a host gui.

(main thing about the guis though actually is the patch selection which is way easier than most hosts now)

Limeflavour · Post by **Limeflavour** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:26 pm

yes I know you won't do all of the gui, you've stated that many times.
You have made alot of work many things which I thought I was supposed to do, only the easy parts remains now (from what i can tell).

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:29 pm

yep, if anyone has also misunderstood what i meant, this is what i meant. you only need to work on the easy parts and maintain the gui, not do all the programming. i don't expect anyone to become a programmer, just to change the program that i have already written for you.

cYrus · Post by **cYrus** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:59 pm

hmm it's pretty bad that xhip doens't save the "control" settings. everytime i open saved projects with xhip i have to adjust the tuning of my presets again. :\

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:50 pm

cYrus wrote:hmm it's pretty bad that xhip doens't save the "control" settings. everytime i open saved projects with xhip i have to adjust the tuning of my presets again. :\

not having that problem here for a long time!

do you have the latest version of Xhip?

Subz

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:00 pm

it still doesn't save the flags, but that will happen in a little while. the thing is when i implement that ALL the projects you made with the old versions won't load anymore with the new version, so just live with it for now. i understand saving/loading and having to go in an set the flags every time could be a pain, but vst doesn't offer any way to easily store flags and stuff like that other than chunks, and implementing chunks will make your projects stop working.

(it will be implemented, you'll just still be stuck with the old version of xhip for old projects anyway)

people complain a lot about the guis, and now i'm working in that area. when that is finished, then i will go back to event routing. if people start to complain again, i'll get another side-track. i don't mind, it's just when you complain about one thing then switch and complain about another only one week apart it's obviously not going to be very quickly done for you. cyrus, with the complaints and comments you make your requests might be near the bottom of the list i'm afraid. if you wanted to really be specific and suggest implementations and new ideas here in the thread my opinion of you might change for the better.

(hope i'm not confusing you, you're the "unison patches!" guy, right? starcraft fell for your gag about 15 times..)

aquar · Post by **aquar** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:07 am

aciddose wrote:
people complain a lot about the guis, and now i'm working in that area. when that is finished, then i will go back to event routing. if people start to complain again, i'll get another side-track. i don't mind, it's just when you complain about one thing then switch and complain about another only one week apart it's obviously not going to be very quickly done for you.

Perhaps the best approach assuming you want to finish the synth is to completely disappear for a while and work on event routing. That's far more important imo.
Once that's taken care of come back and work with users on here and flesh out the gui.

Btw I am curious as to why you don't have a section in the developers area of this forum. I only say this since your thread kind of spams the instruments forum.
Just a thought.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:18 pm

well, it isn't my thread, somebody else posted it. you'll need to ask that person why they thought it was discussion of an instrument.

most of the development talk actually doesn't happen here, i'm talking to users here not coders. arguably the topics discussed here don't fit at all in the development thread but anyone is free to make any thread they like. i'll reply to anything related to xhip if someone wants to hear my side of anything.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:49 am

limeflavour, i'll send an email or msg in case you're not watching the thread. i've finished up the basic implementation of your gui, you can tweak it now and produce versions with different colors. anything you want me to put into your directory on xhip.cjb.net, just put into a package and upload it at http://xhip.cjb.net/upload then message me with instructions. i could set up ftp and all that nonsense but it's simpler this way anyway, i think. (unless you prefer ftp/ssh access, i could do that)

http://xhip.cjb.net/xhip/releases/xhipg ... r2.xhipgui
http://xhip.cjb.net/xhip/releases/xhipg ... ur2src.zip

you'll need the latest library to get this to work:
http://xhip.cjb.net/xhip/xgdb/xgdb_v4.zip

so i expect you to maintain it beyond this point. if you need any technical support or help coding the more advanced portions you can definitely ask me to do that for you. i've taken some shortcuts in the way i've done the layout and you might want to clean that up with your own coordinate formulas, i'm not sure. just one hint: it's better to use some grid formula than to put coordinates in directly.

now i'll be working on the branis gui which should be quite easy, i hope. just a matter of sorting out the coordinates and so on.

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:05 pm

aciddose wrote: now i'll be working on the branis gui which should be quite easy, i hope. just a matter of sorting out the coordinates and so on.

XHip--Please finish your synth!!