Does any other VST sound as good as Sylenth?

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Nokenoku wrote:Even with not liking the clean sound of a highend-VA, you should see, that this sound is quality-wise just great.
No, its not great at all. It has a certain colour to the sound that I think would always be noticeable. Its one thing to have a distinctive sound in a particular area where the parts all come together beautifully but, as a few of us have noticed, this synth seems to be doing something to the signal, some kind of aural exciter effect. Its too heavy-handed and, whilst it might make it seem better than others, as putting effects on any sound usually will, if its there all the time it seriously cripples the worth of the thing. I'll use a paint analogy. Gloss paint looks really cool and anyone would say that a car painted with a nice, reflective gloss will look better than a car painted with the same colour, only in a matte finish. But not every application works with gloss paint. e.g. a blackboard or paving paint. So you like to have the option of gloss or matte. This is the same situation, where the aural excitation is the gloss. Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. On some of those mp3 samples, it almost sounded like aliasing and, objectively, could be just as big an issue in some circumstances.
Sonic Boom Samples wrote:Synths were built better then.
Really? I wish I'd known that when I used them, because they used to give all manner fo grief - busted/dead keys, scratchy pots, busted knobs.
Most stuff these days is cheap shite even modern analogs have to be built to a price to compete with virtual hardware synths and the latest analogs even sound too clean.
Shame they can't compete on flexibility too, huh? With the exception of my ASR-10, which was buggy as hell, I'd say every digital synth I have owned has been far more robust and reliable than any analgue synth I owned in the 80s.
Hey if you can't hear it then....well....you can't hear it. It all depends on the sort of tracks you are writing. If you're writing 80's synth pop then vst synths aren't going to cut it
If you're writing 80s synth-pop, then you'd be needing a DX7. Maybe some of the very early, ultra-krappy stuff was done on analogue instruments but in the heyday of synth-pop it would have been almost all digital [Howard Jones, Thompson Twins era.]
Modern music, yep they'll work great, I mean very few people are going to be able to tell a real Moog from Minimonsta in a pop mix, unless say it was a bass solo with vocal lol in which case it would stick out like a sore thumb.
What you fail to realise is that no-one cares. No-one listens to music and tries to work out what instruments were used, unless they use the stuff themselves. If you are hoping to build a career based on such a small section of the overall audience, good luck. In any event, what you are saying could only be true of a vanishingly small percentage of sounds, as most sounds can be done adequately with almost any synth. Even then, some effects and EQ will make it almost impossible to know anyway.
It's funny how when digital synths started to overtake analog ones and the latest electronic artists started ditching the old synths for these new ones their music started sounding cold and more like lift music.
Digital completely and utterly replaced analogue synths in the second half of the 80s. Through most of the 90s, you could only buy digital synths [assuming you wanted to buy a new one]. Everyone was happy with that because, having been through the nightmare that was analogue synths, it was pure joy. Its only since digital signal processing made mixers, EQ and effects so much more powerful that analogue synths have become slightly more viable. But you couldn't give me one because they are simply too limited compared to digital stuff, for no advantage whatsoever.
Bones as I've said before vst synths suit your type of music down to the ground, you would get no benefit from an old Arp 2600.... and no its not an insult :)
There is no benefit to an old ARP2600. I owned an Axxe for several years [83-87]. It sounded much better than an SH 101 but there is no way it could hold a candle to any of my freebie VSTi. After not using it for a couple of years at all, I tried to sell it but ended up having to give it away because no-one really wanted it. Same with my TB 303s, although I did manage to get $40 for one of them.
Its all in your head. And, for the record, our scene is stuffed to the gills with idiots like you, so most people in the genre would strenuously disagree with your comment. Meanwhile, I just use what works because I want to make music, not stare at my navel.
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Sonic Boom Samples wrote:Is it a proper tube i.e not one powered by 9volts and has a light behind it to make it look like the tube is glowing?

The tube needs a lot of voltage to sound nice :)
12A X 7 x 2

that's what the site says.
the electribe is a great piece of gear. it grooves like there's no republicans.

@whyterabbyt
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/04/s ... -prov.html

the world spins so fast sometimes.... this is kind of going under the radar for most people, but it really is big news.

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dover666 wrote:under the radar
try again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_computer
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetware_computer !!!!
omfg! makes me itch with creepiness.

but i was referring to the concept of using memristors to build analog microprocessors allowing for systems to escape the cage of quantified mathematics. in the wikipedia article you cite, they somewhat describe this in the "real" computers section... plus, i want this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AKAT-1.JPG

apparently, if i was to get off my butt and go about two counties over, i could program this computer controlled synth my friend built in the late 70's, which is only programmable through octal... interfaced by switches on the front... unlabeled... fun ey?

@bones - if you are ever getting rid of more gear... send it overseas to me... esp. if it's shite analogue. - i understand both sides of the discussion here...

analog gear burns out so easy!! the oscs end up out of tune... various things start to smell funny inside the thing....

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dover666 wrote:but i was referring to the concept of using memristors to build analog microprocessors
really?
dover666 wrote:vacuum tubes and analog circuits are things a softsynth can't have until computers are analog [/quote
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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whyterabbyt wrote:
dover666 wrote:but i was referring to the concept of using memristors to build analog microprocessors
really?
dover666 wrote:vacuum tubes and analog circuits are things a softsynth can't have until computers are analog [/quote
ok, point made.... :D

but i think you get my muddled drift... dammit i wish i wasn't so tired and stupid right now.

and wait a sec... i was just talking about how i can send my softsynths through the esx anyway... f to the everlovin a... i don't pay good attention to myself do i?

ok - alittle more well (ill) thought out - - hopefully before i'm dead... the sound of a software synthesizer will be produced using hardware that allows for true analog(unlimited) bit depth and a perfect transition from peak to peak... pipe dreams are pipe dreams.

i would love to have a huge analogue/digital hybrid system synth put together.
i'd build it in a winnebago, so i could drive around and stuff. i used to have an ancient scope.. i still have a variable phase osc generator somewhere... i'd love to wire it up with some controllers and use the really old wonky bits for the modulators and for distortion drivers and such... but alas... alas...

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dover666 wrote:drawback - damn things wear out and go out of tune. i love my microkorg.

now the other thing - "not-so-clean things" - you're talking vacuum tubes, right? cause i love my korg electribe sx... that i can send my micro korg and everything on my computer into....
Vacuum tubes? Not necessarily.

I mean whatever makes the sound more interesting, and imo there really still should be done more to this in the digital world. Something like the Analog-Knob on the KLC, which adds some outtuning/whatever to the sound, to make it more "alive".
But still it could be better I think.

With the Minimonsta you can do something kind of it, by modulating some parameters with random-LFOs.


BONES wrote:No, its not great at all. It has a certain colour to the sound that I think would always be noticeable. Its one thing to have a distinctive sound in a particular area where the parts all come together beautifully but, as a few of us have noticed, this synth seems to be doing something to the signal, some kind of aural exciter effect. Its too heavy-handed and, whilst it might make it seem better than others, as putting effects on any sound usually will, if its there all the time it seriously cripples the worth of the thing. I'll use a paint analogy. Gloss paint looks really cool and anyone would say that a car painted with a nice, reflective gloss will look better than a car painted with the same colour, only in a matte finish. But not every application works with gloss paint. e.g. a blackboard or paving paint. So you like to have the option of gloss or matte. This is the same situation, where the aural excitation is the gloss. Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. On some of those mp3 samples, it almost sounded like aliasing and, objectively, could be just as big an issue in some circumstances.
I don't know what you're talking about, but then I don't have the Sylenth1.
But from the demos I heard so far it just has a killer-quality for the sounds it's supposed to do.
It's crispy, but still not harsh to the ears, sounds smooth, but still crunchy and is also suitable for phat basses.

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Ilosynth sounds better! :D

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BONES wrote: Digital completely and utterly replaced analogue synths in the second half of the 80s. Through most of the 90s, you could only buy digital synths [assuming you wanted to buy a new one]. Everyone was happy with that because, having been through the nightmare that was analogue synths, it was pure joy.
Oh dear, here we go again, Bones and his ridiculous and unnecessary exaggerations!

Digital did not 'completely and utterly' replace analog synths in the second half of the 80's. If you'd said that digital largely replaced analog, I would have agreed. The fact is you could still buy a few new analogs - the Oberheim Matrix 1000, for example, was in production from 87 to 94. (Though, admittedly, not one of the best analog polys, but that's beside the point). And people certainly didn't just stop using analog synths.
Everyone was happy with that


No they weren't! Not everyone, not by a long stretch. Yes, there were many people who were delighted by the thin, cold sound of the DX7 when it first came out - but that is nowhere near the same as saying that everyone (and that means absolutely everone, with no exception!) was happy swapping all of their analogs for digital synths. I'm sure that a good many people saw the new digitals as expanding their sonic palette alongside their existing analog synths. That said, the dramatic rise in the 2nd hand price of analog synths from roughly 87 onwards would seem to indicate that there was a considerable constituency who were far from satisfied with the then available digital synths.


(This is probably where Bones something like 'the Oberheim Matrix was crap' so 'logically disproving' any point I was making. :hihi:)

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I'd expect something more like
hakey wrote:(This is probably where Bones something like 'the Oberheim Matrix was crap' so 'logically disproving' any point I was making. :hihi:)

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buscemi wrote:I'd expect something more like
hakey wrote:(This is probably where Bones something like 'the Oberheim Matrix was crap' so 'logically disproving' any point I was making. :hihi:)

or,
BONES wrote:you guys are all just idiots
or even,
BONES wrote:GRRRRRRR!
:hihi:

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Just a quick reply to Bones here about the 80's synth pop thing. Later 80's was all bloody DX7 (gastly things but good for some sounds)... I was talking more about bands like Yaz/Yazoo or albums like speak and spell by Depeche Mode or early Human league :)

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Why don't we just appreciate all Synths rather then saying Synth A is Better than Synth B and Synth C is Better than Synth D. I think if you love Synthesis in General then you should Appreciate them all. I doesn't matter if it's Sylenth1, Zebra 2, Synth1 or Xhip show them all some love and just make good music and sounds. That's what it's all about anyway making music and having fun doing so. Right? I thought so. Of course not everyone is going to like Sylenth1 and that goes for every Synth ever made. Everyone has their own tastes and expectations of different things. But if you're a Die-Hard Synth Head then you should really appreciate all of them. That's just how I feel about it. 8)
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dover666 wrote:
it grooves like there's no republicans.
:lol:

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