Does any other VST sound as good as Sylenth?

[aciddose]

well, most of the kraftwerk stuff is really boring and uninspiring. it was just wicked at the time, 40 years ago. today you have to really pay attention and notice the particular sounds and techniques that stand out in a few tracks if you want to be impressed, and i guess bones just isn't. i can understand that, in this case, because some days i love a little kraftwerk and others it makes me want to hurl.

[Klemperer]

well, most of the kraftwerk stuff is really boring and uninspiring. it was just wicked at the time, 40 years ago. today you have to really pay attention and notice the particular sounds and techniques that stand out in a few tracks if you want to be impressed, and i guess bones just isn't. i can understand that, in this case, because some days i love a little kraftwerk and others it makes me want to hurl.

I met and heard of thousands of people in Germany who 'hyped' Kraftwerk. Some because they really liked this music, and that was always fine with me.

Some, the big majority, "hyped" always slightly in a way like they mentioned Andy Warhol and so on. They call them "icon" and so on. It was more of a slightly boring "philosophy", or - I don't want to talk against this, not a minute - those people just were used to find that Kraftwerk were "Gods" or something. They were seen as founders of some genres, and that way admired by scene people. Strangely enough the same artscene people found the 2003 (or so?) new work bad then.
They were never big stars concerning top20-results (they had some big hits though, like "faahrn faahrn faaaahrn auf der Autobahn"), and exactly this is the ingredience that scene-people in postmodern times could admire them. I don't like their music, and always heard what a fool I was not to "understand" it - but those were people who tell you they "read" a football game, and "read" the "subtext" of music and so on. In a way prejudiced I always thought those pale people with their bored attitude and the - for me - sometimes boring music of Kraftwerk, and this arrogant hype fit all well together.
But of course, that's one view in a million . You could nearly be thrown out of a room if you dared to criticise Kraftwerk about some years ago here...

[FaX]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ovCK97hFiSI


Each to there own I guess.
Beautiful sense of melody and compositional dynamics IMHO.
(The above is something sorely lacking in a lot of electronic music these days)
Very sparse, tutonic and purposeful IMHO from an everything serves a purpose stand point with no clutter in the mix.
Very pristine sound also.
Goes to show you how different peoples tastes are though doesn't it.

[Rottweiler]

im on the "kraftwerk is simply a joke" side too if anyone interested.

[Arksun]

Well No wonder why you hate Sylenth1. Because you Hate the type of Music that one would use it for?

its a synth, you should be able to use it for all sorts of things. What you're saying is a stupid as saying you can only use guitar in Country & Western [and look how boring a guitar is compared to even a basic synth].

That argument goes both ways. Say I want to do really nice acid type sounds or specific kinds of trance sounds that the Sylenth1 excels at, with your favourite synth edit synth that you like (or with WaspXT) I just can't. That makes the argument of all synths should be able to use for all sorts of things a mute point. It also doesn't make your WaspXT bad, just different.

Therefore it DOES become an issue of musical taste. Even acidose felt the need to mention trance in a few of his previous posts when talking about the quality of the synth, then claims his points have nothing to do with taste in music.

Bottom line here, the Sylenth1 filter responds and reasonates in a way acidose and BONES feel isn't the way a filter should. Now there's nothing wrong with not liking how it sounds!, but don't pass that off as meaning the filter is bad/poor or faulty, because the Sylenth1's filter is perfect for certain styles of music. For those it is excellent.

We're not talking about a filter that heavily aliases here, or crackles or pops, but a fast reacting lively good (imho) sounding filter.

All I see (or hear rather) is filters that have their own character in different synths. If you only like a certain kind of filter, choose the synth that has it!, but don't try and convince others that the alternative filter type is somehow 'wrong' , because I'm sorry but that logic IS based on musical/sound preference.

On a side note, I've never really been into Kraftwerk either, so I guess there's one thing on the planet BONES and I actual agree on

[karhu]

it's not a hype
it's some kind of a zen enjoyment
pure naive minimal enjoyment with a very gentle irony over the technology

the sounds they did were already simple and naive in the time they'd released their albums

it's called art )

[quantize]

Meanwhile, I don't really like any Kraftwerk I've heard. Its mostly quite boring and the sounds are uninspiring.

This from the same bloated goose who will sing the praises of John Foxx to Devo, much less dance like one at their 'one for the tax man tours' of Oz...the very artists who directly quote Kraftwerk as a major influence (even Mothersbaugh has)...Yes they hear something you in your sad fly goggles still don't get..

If you find the sounds boring and uninspiring then you have constructed some delusional political horseshit to delude yourself that many of those artists are not directly referencing Kraftwerk - using sounds, rhythms and sequences virtually as a tribute in their own music, from the lilting Autobahn to the robotic Robots..Yeh there's many more influential electronic artists as well, but to exclude these guys is like having a crater sized hole in your understanding and appreciation of electronic music. Full stop. It also makes a complete asshat of anyone who would espouse artists like Fad Gadget much less the predictable gaggle of psuedo industrial artists circa late 80's to mid 90's which so obviously inform your own music. All those guys like the music of Kraftwerk..yes all those bands you conveniently choose to anoint. What's the matter? Florian refused to sign your 'Front 242' t-shirt?

Thankfully, you clearly are comfortable making a baboon of yourself here, so I'm sure my own comments will only serve to inflate that sagging pretentious 'anger' you use to keep yourself feeling important. You have no excuse, you weren't born yesterday and mistakenly think that Carl Cox or the Prodigy invented electronic music.

I'm as repulsed as the next person by mindless artist worship, but if you like any kind of electronic music at all, and can't find something to love and appreciate in the music of Kraftwerk, much less what they contributed to the language of it, then you are put together all wrong... or are just playing the micro-penis one-upmanship that typifies these boards.

Being an angry crochety twat, doesn't excuse willful ignorance.

[musikmachine]

Sytrus isn't for Mac though. I wonder how long it will be until the fxpansion synths come out...

Just trying to answer the ops question but i will check for mac versions in the future! Is he on a mac?

It says not yet and some of their other plugins have been ported so may be soon, i know it's been out for a while...

[hakey]

Digital did not 'completely and utterly' replace analog synths in the second half of the 80's. If you'd said that digital largely replaced analog, I would have agreed. The fact is you could still buy a few new analogs - the Oberheim Matrix 1000, for example, was in production from 87 to 94. (Though, admittedly, not one of the best analog polys, but that's beside the point). And people certainly didn't just stop using analog synths.

If they could afford to, they most certainly did. Find a video from the mid-80s to the mid 90s that features anything other than digital synths.

Off the top of my head here's a list of producers/artists who most definitely used analog stuff (alongside digital stuff) in the time frame, late 80's to mid 90's, that you're talking of (in fact, you'd be hard pushed to find tracks produced by them that didn't use analog synths!):

808 State (named after their favourite analog drum machine!), A Guy Called Gerald, Altern8, Aphex Twin, Bassomatic/William Orbit, Joey Beltram, Norman Cook, The Future Sound Of London/Humanoid/Yage/Amorphous Androgynous (Tales of Ephidrina, 1993 has a list of all of the analog synths that were used on the album cover), Hardfloor (TB303 on Hard Trance Accperience, 1992 - arguably the definitive acid trance track), KLF, Leftfield, LFO, Massive Attack, The Orb, Orbital, The Prodigy (named after the Moog Prodigy!), S'Express...I could go on and on with this list.

(I know, you're going to say that you hate all of the artists in that list. Well that doesn't matter - the point is that many, many people still used, indeed many preferred analog gear throughout the late 80's to mid 90's. Digital synths did not 'completely and utterly' replace analog.)

Iaybe things were different in other countries but from around 1986 until the end of the 90's, I cannot recall ever seeing any kind of analogue synth in any store anywhere in Australia.

Well things were definitely different in the UK. As I said, the Matrix 1000 was produced up to 94 and sold in the UK, then Oberheim introduced the OB Mx. I bought a Waldorf Pulse new in 96. Studio Electronics were producing their Midimoog from 88 onwards. But, yeah, I'm sure much of this passed Australia by.

Yes, there were many people who were delighted by the thin, cold sound of the DX7 when it first came out

That is just plain stupid. As much as I hated my DX9, it was capable of much fatter sounds than any of my other synths at the time.

I don't think that you and I will ever agree on what exactly constitutes thin, cold or fat and warm. All I can say is that I don't dislike the sound od the DX7, or FM synthesis and the thin and cold wasn't meant as a crticism, nor was I thus attempting to encapsulate the whole of the DX7's sonic range.

That said, the dramatic rise in the 2nd hand price of analog synths from roughly 87 onwards would seem to indicate that there was a considerable constituency who were far from satisfied with the then available digital synths.

Really?

Yes, really! I remember it well. Rightly or wrongly it became something of an axiom that analog synths were fundamental to the sound of dance music, whether it be acid house, techno, rave, progressive or just plain old house music. (I know you don't like dance music Bones, but again, your personal taste, or mine is not at issue here.)

Then how come I couldn't sell any of my stuff at all, at any price? I think it was probably around 92 or 93 that I got $40 for one of my 303s

Dunno - obviously an Australian thing that. By 92 303's were like gold dust in the UK and you could pay anything up to £500 (pounds Sterling) for one... if you could find one.

So, let's recap...

Digital completely and utterly replaced analogue synths in the second half of the 80s.

Wrong,

Through most of the 90s, you could only buy digital synths

wrong,

Everyone was happy with that

and wrong again Bones!

[androidlove]

i've tried sylenth several times. i always hear the typical vsti twang (i hope there are some who know what i talk about. it's a hard quality to describe) i say save your money and get vangaurd, or shell out just a little more and get nexus. i'm in no way a fan boy, but i can't even remember what the nexus flap was about. all i know is those are some awesome dance synths

Nexus is a lot more than "just a little more" than Vanguard.

a little more than sylenth

for those who can't hear that sylenth sounds like every other bad vsti, i'm guessing you're use to that quality and think that's how synths are supposed to sound. i'm an old fart and am used to real synths. i probably shouldn't be in this conversation. you youngins have fun. i'll get my fedora

[hakey]

Re Kraftwerk:

What is often overlooked in such discussions about Kraftwerk's artistic merits (or lack thereof) is that, contrary to their national stereotype, they actually had a great sense of humour. It wouldn't be stretching things too much to call Kraftwerk a high concept art joke.

So sense of humour, absolutely original concept and sound, and one or two memorable tunes; no wonder BONES(GRRRRRRR!) dislikes them so much!

[djanthonyw]

Sytrus isn't for Mac though. I wonder how long it will be until the fxpansion synths come out...

Just trying to answer the ops question but i will check for mac versions in the future! Is he on a mac?

It says not yet and some of their other plugins have been ported so may be soon, i know it's been out for a while...

Image Line already said Sytrus won't be ported to Mac because it was programmed in Delphi just like FL Studio.

Wake me up when those fxpansion synths are finally released.

[musikmachine]

Sytrus isn't for Mac though. I wonder how long it will be until the fxpansion synths come out...

Just trying to answer the ops question but i will check for mac versions in the future! Is he on a mac?

It says not yet and some of their other plugins have been ported so may be soon, i know it's been out for a while...

Image Line already said Sytrus won't be ported to Mac because it was programmed in delphi.

Wake me up when those fxpansion synths are finally released.

Really? Then they should take down the coming soon sign cos it aint!

Anyway i thought you could run vst's with parallels or bootcamp...
.

[djanthonyw]

Really? Then they should take down the coming soon sign cos it aint!

Anyway i thought you could run vst's with parallels or bootcamp...

Where exactly does it say "coming soon"? I only see... "not yet available".

Technically you can run them through those two options but not inside a host that's on OS X which kind of defeats the purpose.

[musikmachine]

Really? Then they should take down the coming soon sign cos it aint!

Anyway i thought you could run vst's with parallels or bootcamp...
.

Where exactly does it say "coming soon"? I only see... "not yet available".

Technically you can run them through those two options but not inside a host that's on OS X which kind of defeats the purpose.

Sorry dude, brain fart. I meant the not available yet sign as anyone reading that would think it is coming soon or at some point but if they're saying it won't be ported then 'yet' is a bit misleading.