Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?

[Arglebargle]

wait, wtf? Who bumped a 3 yr old thread.

[BertKoor]

That was Herodotus, who discovered that his comment killed off the threaf he started himself.

On the other hand, There is the theory of the moebius. A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop, from which there is no escape. When we reach that point, whatever happened will happen again.

[brambos]

[Mac of BIOnighT]

In my eyes, you take someone like a DJ Shadow, that's as much a musician as Steve Vai.

Steve vai is not a musician, he's just a guy who can do plenty of tricks with his guitar and shows them off by putting them on top of crappy, worthless non-music.
Whoever DJ Shadow is, I'd feel offended by the comparison.
Most crap comes from loopers, but they do not have the exclusive.

[zerocrossing]

Hahaha. COUNT FORUMULA.

Excuse me for getting meta, but it is interesting to revive a thread from long dead. I wasn't here then... and for those who were, they were different. Your experiences mold you so why not revisit things perhaps with a new perspective? There have been music that I initially didn't like at all that years later, upon hearing it again, I was all, "What was I thinking?"

Same holds true for a musical loop. The loop stays the same but you change. Perhaps the music around the loop changes and that's the point of the music. It is in a lot of my music.

...and one more step up... the whole criticizing of a technique as if it automatically can make your music good or bad is plain and simply stupid. Most people confuse "It's not good" with "I don't like." I do not like the Grateful Dead, but I can tell their music is high quality. Why can't people separate these two concepts?

[farlukar]

whatever happened will happen again

[thecontrolcentre]

Whoever DJ Shadow is ...

[vespers75]

we have a loop thread revived, a new 'best reverb' thread, and yet another trance war thread all going on in the same week....


....priceless.

[duncanparsons]

whatever happened will happen again

There is the moebius of the theory. A fabric in the twist of a loop where time becomes space, from escape there is no which. When we reach that again, whatever point happened will happen.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

In my eyes, you take someone like a DJ Shadow, that's as much a musician as Steve Vai.

Steve vai is not a musician, he's just a guy who can do plenty of tricks with his guitar and shows them off by putting them on top of crappy, worthless non-music.

Whilst i am no great fan of vai's work myself, he is a musician and infact a very good musician who pushes himself to the limits when writting and recording his tracks and he releases music for himself and if anyone happens to like it then thats a bonus for the boney shredder. I really see your point though and vai is not to my taste. I would take a shot at Michael Angelo Batio as a non-musician guy who can do plenty of tricks with his double neck guitar - he is awful and well just check him out if you want to hear the worst fret wankery ever. At the very least factor in that vai has played with many great musician's and actually writes 'songs' with a band. Michael Angelo Batio makes vai sound like a singer/guitarist with loads of good tune's in comparisson (Just one example is Batio's Tutorial DVD/Book 'Speed Kills' ) Honest check the fool out for a laugh and you will see what i mean

[DocAtlas]

In my eyes, you take someone like a DJ Shadow, that's as much a musician as Steve Vai.

Steve vai is not a musician, he's just a guy who can do plenty of tricks with his guitar and shows them off by putting them on top of crappy, worthless non-music.

Whilst i am no great fan of vai's work myself, he is a musician and infact a very good musician who pushes himself to the limits when writting and recording his tracks and he releases music for himself and if anyone happens to like it then thats a bonus for the boney shredder. I really see your point though and vai is not to my taste. I would take a shot at Michael Angelo Batio as a non-musician guy who can do plenty of tricks with his double neck guitar - he is awful and well just check him out if you want to hear the worst fret wankery ever. At the very least factor in that vai has played with many great musician's and actually writes 'songs' with a band. Michael Angelo Batio makes vai sound like a singer/guitarist with loads of good tune's in comparisson (Just one example is Batio's Tutorial DVD/Book 'Speed Kills' ) Honest check the fool out for a laugh and you will see what i mean

Just checked out MAB's MySpace page. Um, no thanks. Maybe I'm not really qualified to judge, since I don't play guitar, but it didn't do anything for me. I don't mind Steve Vai, though.

[shamann]

In my eyes, you take someone like a DJ Shadow, that's as much a musician as Steve Vai.

Steve vai is not a musician, he's just a guy who can do plenty of tricks with his guitar and shows them off by putting them on top of crappy, worthless non-music.
Whoever DJ Shadow is, I'd feel offended by the comparison.
Most crap comes from loopers, but they do not have the exclusive.

I'm not eager to defend the specifics of my rant from nearly four years ago, as perhaps there was an ephemeral context for me mentioning both Steve Vai and DJ Shadow, but I must admit meeting a rant about a snobbery in music with a form of snobbery in music is odd to me.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

In my eyes, you take someone like a DJ Shadow, that's as much a musician as Steve Vai.

Steve vai is not a musician, he's just a guy who can do plenty of tricks with his guitar and shows them off by putting them on top of crappy, worthless non-music.
Whoever DJ Shadow is, I'd feel offended by the comparison.
Most crap comes from loopers, but they do not have the exclusive.

I'm not eager to defend the specifics of my rant from nearly four years ago, as perhaps there was an ephemeral context for me mentioning both Steve Vai and DJ Shadow, but I must admit meeting a rant about a snobbery in music with a form of snobbery in music is odd to me.

In context i will take a guess that your point was/is both are equal as musicians, Just because Steve Vai knows every single scale/mode and no doubt hears what he writes as clearly as when he is actually playing it/putting it onto tape/disk whilst DJ Shadow might be the complete opposite and sows together a different melting pot of ideas grabbed from anywhere and everywhere with less of a pre-determind outcome yet still really creative and musical (*i dont know very much about DJ Shadow*). I think neither approach is 'wrong' or less/more musical.

Let me put it like this:

You put both Steve Vai and DJ Shadow in a studio but in seperate rooms and you give DJ Shadow Steve Vai's gear setup and you give Steve Vai DJ Shadow's gear setup - it just would not work of course and the outcome would be useless.

However you put the pair of them in a studio room together with their own gear setup and the collaberative outcome would no doubt be very intresting, musical, creative and probably worth releasing.

So each brings their own unique approach and musical skills to the table which neither could achieve alone and that for me puts them on par as musicians/song writers

If that makes any sense to anyone? and especially you shamann?

Anyway thats my take on it and maybe i am wrong It would be really interesting if alot more creative musical minds from very different style/genre...etc got together and collaberated on records alot more for music's sake and not for the sake of commercial sales/marketing...

Dean

[Caysi]

wow! is that an actual m:tg card like from the joke set with stuff like "bad ass"?

[opia]

Anyway thats my take on it and maybe i am wrong It would be really interesting if alot more creative musical minds from very different style/genre...etc got together and collaberated on records alot more for music's sake and not for the sake of commercial sales/marketing...

Dean

a paragraph worthy of its own thread in this world of demographics