Overloud TH1 Guitar System released!

[_dada_]

Just one question regarding the iLok...you say you can use this on any computer that the software is installed on, does that mean the PACE drivers also have to be installed on that computer?

The dongle will only be seen, if the driver is installed !
Make backups and be prepared to lose some live-time ...

bye, Jan

[A3ntar]

The other modules like the reverb family are really not that great.
Simon, will you guys be adding a mini VST host module that can be added to the chain?

1) you're the first one in my whole Breverb and TH1 experience to tell me that TH1 reverbs (same algos as BREVERB) are not that great... I guess it's a matter of taste

2) this is not planned and not likely to happen anytime soon. We're not releasing an hosting app, but a plugin.
If and when we'll create a bigger TH1 or another app we will evaluate plugin hosting.
A great deal of the TH1 experience is in creating a new paradigm.
marketing-wise we don't want to blur that 'experience'.
sound-wise we don't want to blur that experience.
You want something in TH1? just ask and it might be easier we put it there, rather than hosting only-god-know-what-kind-of-plugin...
You might be spoiled by Revalver (and I kinda agree with you is some ways) but in my use of it with hosted VST plugins I had more crashes than smiling faces (and I am not stating this to give a bad idea of Revalver, it's just like this with the plugs I tried on Mac, I respect a lot the work behind Revalver and all the other big amps emus since we've been there and we know how long and much it takes... I can't do anything more but respect those guys... so please, make plugin hosting work 100% in Revalver!).

Thanks for the detailed reply Simon.

Please do not understand me wrong because you did not quote the rest of my post.

I *really* love the amp simulation of TH-1. Even beats my preferred Revalver MKIII.

But to be honest I never was that impressed with Breverb (again, a matter of personal preference) and so in this context I would have loved to use IKMM CSR anywhere in the signal chain without having to load multiple instances of TH-1.

I personally find that the idea of a mini VST host adds a LOT of flexibility to the signal chain without adding much overhead of multiple instances that will get quickly confusing. It this "outside of the box" thinking that I really enjoy with Revalver MKIII.

[fanfarecircuit]

pm me if there is a crossgrade for someone who spent $600 with the retards at ik multimedia on amplitube products.

[Simone Coen]

But to be honest I never was that impressed with Breverb (again, a matter of personal preference) and so in this context I would have loved to use IKMM CSR anywhere in the signal chain without having to load multiple instances of TH-1.

Pardon my objection, but...

we're giving you the BREVERB sound for free inside TH1. TH1 costs, list, 249 Euro.
No other competitor has comparably sounding reverbs in their guitar packages, I think you could admit this: you're using another 'standalone' reverb product to compare it to the embedded reverbs in TH1.
So by stating the above you're putting us in comparison with 2 products (1 guitar plug + 1 reverb plug) not with 1 direct competitor product.

This said, I motivated our choice of not having VST hosting inside TH1 in many ways already:
While I recognize the added bonus of having those chances, I still have to find a plugin acting as a host (Gigastudio anyone???) that runs plugins with the same ease and reliability of a real host.
Hint: Opening to the VST world means augmenting the chance of crashes or problems by n-times, where n is the number of plugs potentially loadable in the host.
Hint: TH1 supports live and quick preset changes (no break-ups between preset changes), most of the VST plugs wouldn't allow us such a feature (and more on this matter will come in the future...) and we want to make sure to give the highest reliability and performance possible to ALL of our users.
Hint: some plugs sound great but introduce latency, which is not good for playing live.
Hint: most uses of a reverb are at the end of a signal path... so you may not need a VST insert.
Hint: while you wait for us to eventually change our mind (I am definitely hearing your and other people cry), in the meantime, if you're happy with other amp simulators and their features (VST hosting) you're free to use those, or to use TH1 inside of them as a hosted VST and put after TH1 that plugin reverb you love. Or any other for that matter.

Thanks for giving me the chance to elaborate on this matter.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Simone is right. Building VST hosting in a plugin is generally a bad bad idea. Just think of the crashes and additional incompatability issues that would arise by doing so. Simone would probably spend so much time trying to get TH-1 to work with every plugin out there that it would never get developed further.

There's nothing wrong with running two instances anyway. That's what makes plugins and fast PC's so great.

[Simone Coen]

There's nothing wrong with running two instances anyway. That's what makes plugins and fast PC's so great.

... and TH1 low CPU overhead even greater!



sorry ... but I had to add this

[A3ntar]

Simone is right. Building VST hosting in a plugin is generally a bad bad idea. Just think of the crashes and additional incompatability issues that would arise by doing so. Simone would probably spend so much time trying to get TH-1 to work with every plugin out there that it would never get developed further.

There's nothing wrong with running two instances anyway. That's what makes plugins and fast PC's so great.

No, just provide the mini VST host as a bonus with no guarantees. That is what Revalver does and from experience, 90% of the plug-ins I have work with absolutely no issues in the chain.

But I think we are spinning in circles...for now, I will go enjoy the 3 days I still have left on my trial

[tomg]

This is an answer we got from PACE:

I'm sure you hear this a lot. I was interested in your product but I won't bother to demo it because of your CP options. I don't expect you to change anything to suit me. I just wanted you to know why I didn't try the demo.

[shogger]

Just for the fun of another voice in this PACE discussion:

I have zero, null, no, not even the slightest problems with the PACE stuff. I'm using BReverb with PACE stuff for a year or so now without the slightest glitch I could account to the copy protection. Same now with TH1.

Shogger

P.S. TH1 is the bomb. It sounds great.

[punkfest2000]

I'd like to try this product but quite frankly I'm scared off of it from all of the above posts. I own Guitar Rig 3, with it's service center for updates - is that a similar protection system? - if so I could handle that as it's never caused me problems. I mostly like Rig 3, but there is certainly room for improvement.

I don't want to spend 1 minute of my rather expensive time trying to unstall shoddy protection schemes when I tire of the demo though.

[Simone Coen]

I'd like to try this product but quite frankly I'm scared off of it from all of the above posts. I own Guitar Rig 3, with it's service center for updates - is that a similar protection system? - if so I could handle that as it's never caused me problems. I mostly like Rig 3, but there is certainly room for improvement.

I don't want to spend 1 minute of my rather expensive time trying to unstall shoddy protection schemes when I tire of the demo though.

are you on Mac or PC?

We documented how to uninstall PACE protection in a post above.
While any software you install might create problems to your computer, we didn't have any negative feedback regarding TH1 or BREVERB and their copy protection on our support page.

BREVERB has been out for more than a year and has a rather large number of adopters (about 50% of them on PC and the rest on Mac).

Apart from people complaining over here (and I respect their opinion) we didn't recieve one single support email regarding problems with PACE in more than 1 year.
Only problems we had were related with mistakes in authorization (typing I instead of 1 and O instead 0 for example) and similar.
Not a single user had a bad experience of crashes or performance issues with our products so far.
Interlok and iLok are the most diffused protection systems in the industry and I recognize they are a bit 'intrusive' in some ways, still, the amount of people showing problems with such a system is really small, a fraction of 1% of users.

This said, if you want to try TH1, go ahead, if you still fear, then let it go.

Best,

[Bevoss]

P.S. TH1 is the bomb. It sounds great.

No argument here, Shogger...

Totally OT, I think the graphics are awesome and kudos to the designer, especially using floorboards as a backdrop, except for one thing that bugged me:

The guitar.

Not that it's transparent, that's kinda cool.

First, the pickguard is loosely based on a Strat, but the bridge single coil is facing the WRONG way...sorta reminiscent of that Steve Morse in-between pickup I guess, but it's ugly to me. (No pickup selector either).

Plus, the bottom body horn looks longer than the top horn, and then there's a god awful Dean-type headstock at the end.

Sorry, but it looks like a mismatched toy to me...a transparent classic-type instrument, even changed X% to avoid copyright issues, would suit the awesome gui much better imo.

Someone had to say it...

[koolkeys]

P.S. TH1 is the bomb. It sounds great.

No argument here, Shogger...

Totally OT, I think the graphics are awesome and kudos to the designer, especially using floorboards as a backdrop, except for one thing that bugged me:

The guitar.

Not that it's transparent, that's kinda cool.

First, the pickguard is loosely based on a Strat, but the bridge single coil is facing the WRONG way...sorta reminiscent of that Steve Morse in-between pickup I guess, but it's ugly to me. (No pickup selector either).

Plus, the bottom body horn looks longer than the top horn, and then there's a god awful Dean-type headstock at the end.

Sorry, but it looks like a mismatched toy to me...a transparent classic-type instrument, even changed X% to avoid copyright issues, would suit the awesome gui much better imo.

Someone had to say it...

Hehe, they made up their own guitar model! Maybe they used their amp morphing technology to create a new guitar type?

Brent

[_dada_]

Apart from people complaining over here (and I respect their opinion) we didn't recieve one single support email regarding problems with PACE in more than 1 year.
Only problems we had were related with mistakes in authorization (typing I instead of 1 and O instead 0 for example) and similar.
Not a single user had a bad experience of crashes or performance issues with our products so far.

Good for you ! But You're dealing with them for 1+ year ...
Other users have a much longer 'experience'.
Let's see ... it took them how many years ? 7, 8, more , to get it working ??
All these past years where filled with crashes, incompatibilities and forced OS reinstalls.
ALSO : it never protected any software, during these years !!
Only the legal user was 'protected' from using his software.
Everyone else could get it for free, a short time after release ( OK, mainly on PC ).

The last year was not very challenging, in regards of OS changes, plugin platform changes,etc.
Nobody knows, when the next 8 years of desaster *may* start ... Windows 7, VST3 ...

OK, *maybe* they have learned their stuff and everything will work out fine.
I will watch closely and maybe start to trust them in ... 8 years ...

And, yes, I am very interested in every 'currently best' amp modeller ...
For now, I will have to skip this one

bye, Jan

[tadam]

The thing with guitar players: We're control freaks.

The guys who design TH1 seem not to lose that thought for a moment while doing it.

The tones are superb, a real work of love. The level of control is the icing on the cake IMO.

kudos overloud and thank you.



However i can relate to A3ntar request. Fx ordering has great importance on the signal chain. I'm very pleased to what TH1 delivers, nevertheless i don't find it odd to people ask for more.

In this case i wouldn't go has far as asking for plug support but allowing some kind of cabinet IR in the proper place would give TH1 more interest.