Basic theory problem that it seems to be overlook

[Hovmod]

MIDI is music like DNA is a rose.

[Sascha Franck]

MIDI is music like DNA is a rose.

Oh - is it?

[Hovmod]

Yes.
Or like a recipe is food.

[jc21161]

MP3 technology is quite similar to MIDI, in a song for example the MP3 program records data for just one drum beat for all the like drum beats, so the entire rhythm section is basically just the same few second of drum date being repeated over and over, thus greatly reducing file size. The same is true for repetitive vocals etc. and thus as MIDI, MP3 is not audio, MP3 are commands for the computer. The computer produces the audio. MP3 differ from MIDI in that the equivalent of the various instruments are made and stored in the MP3 files, not premade in the operating system or soundcard files. Thus the mp3 files are much larger than midi files. MP3 files are smaller because its related to MIDI.

[Rottweiler]

MP3 technology is quite similar to MIDI, in a song for example the MP3 program records data for just one drum beat for all the like drum beats, so the entire rhythm section is basically just the same few second of drum date being repeated over and over, thus greatly reducing file size. The same is true for repetitive vocals etc. and thus as MIDI, MP3 is not audio, MP3 are commands for the computer. The computer produces the audio. MP3 differ from MIDI in that the equivalent of the various instruments are made and stored in the MP3 files, not premade in the operating system or soundcard files. Thus the mp3 files are much larger than midi files. MP3 files are smaller because its related to MIDI.

huh??? what are you talkin abut? i dunno shit about mp3 but im sure nothing of it relates to midi, lol

[Sascha Franck]

MP3 technology is quite similar to MIDI, in a song for example the MP3 program records data for just one drum beat for all the like drum beats, so the entire rhythm section is basically just the same few second of drum date being repeated over and over, thus greatly reducing file size.

Dude, really, I'm sorry - but for me it's now time to end taking part in this thread.
I haven't heard any such nonsense on KVR in a long time. Add to this that you really don't seem to want to learn anything, otherwise you'd probably believe in what a few people have said already. But all too apparently, you don't even consider that what some folks said could be true. No, instead you come up with an explanation why MP3 is similar to MIDI that makes me just go "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?".
It might as well be that your medication just failed (too much or not enough of it), but to me, it seems clear that you just don't want to learn anything. So that's it for me. Case closed.
Good luck with your future endeavours.

- Sascha

[jc21161]

If Midi is not audio, MP3 is not audio either, sounds good to me.LOL
I think I will go and listen to some cool midi now. Talk to you later

[Sascha Franck]

If Midi is not audio, MP3 is not audio either, sounds good to me.LOL
I think I will go and listen to some cool midi now. Talk to you later

Ok, before I finally do something else, hold on for a second: Wasn't it YOU asking for some help with certain issues? Well, there's been some people apparently willing to help, but all you come up with is some profound proves that you don't even have an idea of the most basic theories - yet you keep insiting you're right.
Why did you start this thread in the first place then? I mean, you seem to know everything already, don't you?

- Sascha

[The Fex]

As long as the finished project sounds good that's all that counts

True. But your song doesn't sound particularly good, does it? So what's your point?

a song is not going to suck because you did not follow some or all of the rules of musical theory and arrangement

Also true.

it will suck because you are a talentless idiot.

Well, I thought you were being a little harsh on yourself, but....

If Midi is not audio, MP3 is not audio either

Ok, I'm done here. Come back when you want to learn something.

[BertKoor]

http://www.howstuffworks.com/mp3.htm
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/mp3play ... music.html
http://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3codec/
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/compu ... works.idg/
http://www.sourcingmap.com/how-mp3-work ... iclePath=1

[frederik D]

MP3 technology is quite similar to MIDI, in a song for example the MP3 program records data for just one drum beat for all the like drum beats, so the entire rhythm section is basically just the same few second of drum date being repeated over and over, thus greatly reducing file size.

Dude, really, I'm sorry - but for me it's now time to end taking part in this thread.
I haven't heard any such nonsense on KVR in a long time. Add to this that you really don't seem to want to learn anything, otherwise you'd probably believe in what a few people have said already. But all too apparently, you don't even consider that what some folks said could be true. No, instead you come up with an explanation why MP3 is similar to MIDI that makes me just go "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?".
It might as well be that your medication just failed (too much or not enough of it), but to me, it seems clear that you just don't want to learn anything. So that's it for me. Case closed.
Good luck with your future endeavours.

- Sascha

I'm with sascha frank on this one...
Why on earth are you making those nonsensical claims about Mp3? What's your point trying to convince people that mp3 and midi are in a way similar (which is not the case, as all with some knowledge 'bout the subject will confirm)?

I mean: people have tried to explain you with great clraity what midi is, and how it is differs from audio (wavefiles, and audio compressions as for example mp3). And I know how hard it is to explain this for the millionth time (those kind of confusions come up on every cumputer related music forum all the time), so you should be happy they're still willing to help. And then you should try to understand what they're saying, or start reading some other things 'bout the subject. Then you would be on your way, and everybody would be happy.

But no... you have to come up with your own silly claims... It's sad in a way, because it stops the willing people from trying.
We want to help, but you should show at least show some signs that you're starting to learn, or at least willing to learn.

Otherwise you're a lost cause...
sorry to say, but to me it's like that.

fred

[jc21161]

I'm sorry but I do not believe everything I read.
why should you care if I do not? LOL
But I do evaluate everything, and appreciate the great shortcut to
understanding music theory you all are providing. Over the years my computer read the Manual to my sequencer software probably about 15 times or so, and
several others as well and everything you all said about midi is right on, midi
files our always described as nonaudio, as a shortcut to get the readers to
not misunderstand it. But at the same time music is illegally downloaded in
the form of midi thousands of times a day, this would be a physical
impossibility if midi was not an audio file, just as a mp3 etc, both are equally nonaudio until their processed into audio, then their both equally audio. I'm talking in terms of reality. The definition of midi is not reality, but it is the definition.

You cannot condense volumes of literature into one short paragraph, and expects someone to believe anything, it would take months of study to understand just the technical lingo of exactly how MIDI and MP3 etc work. it is at least what goes through my head when someone says that midi is not audio. I recommend watching the Discovery Channel/links above instead of junk TV, if you think you would like to understand stuff such as this.

[mystran]

But at the same time music is illegally downloaded in
the form of midi thousands of times a day, this would be a physical
impossibility if midi was not an audio file, just as a mp3 etc, both are equally nonaudio until their processed into audio, then their both equally audio. I'm talking in terms of reality. The definition of midi is not reality, but it is the definition.

By that logic PCM (or .wav for all the non-technical people) is also not audio, because in order to make audio (=vibrations of air) out of it, a computer (or similar device) has to read through it sequentially, send the individual bytes to an DAC which then has to send the analog voltages to an amplifier, and finally to a speaker.

Now, MIDI and MP3 have to do with each other approximately as much as sheet music and a compact tape. Just like you can't listen to a tape without having a tape recorder, you'll need some digital equipment to decode the MP3, but both of them store the actual audio waveforms (somewhat imperfectly but that's besides the point). Just like sheet music, you need some instruments to make anything audible out of MIDI, because it's just that: sheet music for computers.

And trust me, if you're going to argue against that, you're quite frankly either ignorant or an idiot. Potentially both.

[skipscada]

And trust me, if you're going to argue against that, you're quite frankly either ignorant or an idiot. Potentially both.

Can I just advice OP to breathe deeply, make a cup of something and think for a minute before answering again? OP, you really are off the mark and need to study the basics. Don't worry, it's OK, you'll get it sooner or later, but you need to acknowledge that your ideas are mistaken.

BTW, if you think your voice and musicality are your strong points and struggle with technical stuff, perhaps you should just leave midi alone. Perhaps get some other musicians together and play, and just use your DAW as a recording and mixing studio?

[Sascha Franck]

You cannot condense volumes of literature into one short paragraph, and expects someone to believe anything, it would take months of study to understand just the technical lingo of exactly how MIDI and MP3 etc work.

Dude... for anybody only interested in sequencing, half a day of gathering certain information would be sufficient. And a lot of good links to valuable information sources have already been posted in this thread. Did you read any of the linked sites yet?

it is at least what goes through my head when someone says that midi is not audio. I recommend watching the Discovery Channel/links above instead of junk TV, if you think you would like to understand stuff such as this.

Huh? Wouldn't it be better if you watched said channels to get at least a basic understanding of *some* things?
Doesn't even need to be technical stuff. To me it seems the logical, communicational and comprehensive area of your brain is kinda out of order.

And to make an end to the MP3 vs. MIDI point:
- MP3s *always* sound the way they're intended to sound by the creator (minus some small differences in each person's listening equipment).
- MIDI files almost *never* sound the way they're intended to sound by the creator, unless 100% the same playback equipment is used (which rarely is the case).

Both of these statements are proveable with ease.

- S.