Overloud TH1 Guitar System released!

[Simone Coen]

favorite feature request: show more parameters for automation or implement midi channel aware midi learn for all parameters. the function controls are great, though!

Hi,

any parameter is automatable through the 8 Smart Knobs.
You can even automate more parameters at once.
On the Midi and Control side of things a future update should be bringing some news.

[Simone Coen]

27% Amplitube
18% TH1
I got these numbers from Live and subtracted 4% which is what Live was showing for CPU use with no effects on. I'm running a 2 gighz Centrino Duo with 2 gig of ram and a MOTU 828 firewire interface running at a 192 sample size.

Hi zerocrossing.

Out of curiosity.
1) Which kind of settings did you have active in Amplitube (Hi-q, Oversampling)?
2) Was the Live track a stereo track? This is not important for Ampliube since it merges to mono anything getting into it (Amplitube is full mono up to the Rack where some effects might be stereo). This is important for TH1 since if you have a stereo input it will process everything in true stereo hence doubling the CPU overhead.

If it's this way, then you might be comparing a dual setup in AT2 with a 'quad' setup in TH1, not considering the CPU saving settings in AT2 (question 1). I saying this 'cause the figures I get are rather different on my test systems.

[Simone Coen]

One thing that I am not to pleased about is the aliasing in TH1.

I asked the DSP developers to have an answer on this.
So I'll get back on this soon.

Best,

[Simone Coen]

Thanks for the very quick reply Simone!

I now, after reading this thread, understand "how the installer works", but when I installed the demo it wasn't that clear to me. But enough of that...

I am still on Win2k SP4. I don't see any reason not to trust you, I think you're doing a good job here and on other forums and are trying to respond to all questions and problems, which propably isn't always that much fun either.

So, if you can get an answer from Pace, it'd be nice and Your help is appreciated.

Thx,

Niko

Hi Niko,

find here the answers we got from PACE.

http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewto ... =58&t=4379

[fas1piano]

any parameter is automatable through the 8 Smart Knobs.
You can even automate more parameters at once.
On the Midi and Control side of things a future update should be bringing some news.

I know, I really like the smart knobs. i would just like access to more knobs at once, i use a bcr2000 and brainspawn forte to control stuff live. it's cool when you can have a one-knob-per-parameter kind of setup.

fab

[Simone Coen]

any parameter is automatable through the 8 Smart Knobs.
You can even automate more parameters at once.
On the Midi and Control side of things a future update should be bringing some news.

I know, I really like the smart knobs. i would just like access to more knobs at once, i use a bcr2000 and brainspawn forte to control stuff live. it's cool when you can have a one-knob-per-parameter kind of setup.

fab

Ok... you'll have more in the future... this is planned...

but TH1 was thought for guitarists and I can hardly see a guitarist controling more than 8 parameters at once with his feet...
Unless she/he's a tap dancer and people call her/him Ginger or Fred...

[fas1piano]

great! more smart controls!



[and maybe one or two "dumb pedals" for our 6 string friends... ]

btw i can't seem to get the quoting right sorry bout that!

[Simone Coen]

great! more smart controls!



[and maybe one or two "dumb pedals" for our 6 string friends... ]

btw i can't seem to get the quoting right sorry bout that!

You're missing a " character after my name

[quote="Simone Coen - put that character here ] any parameter is automatable through the 8 Smart Knobs.
You can even automate more parameters at once.
On the Midi and Control side of things a future update should be bringing some news.[/quote]

[Genetic_Junk]

One thing that I am not to pleased about is the aliasing in TH1.

I asked the DSP developers to have an answer on this.
So I'll get back on this soon.

Best,

Thanks Simone. I'm looking forward to hearing what they say.

[Simone Coen]

One thing that I am not to pleased about is the aliasing in TH1.

I asked the DSP developers to have an answer on this.
So I'll get back on this soon.

Best,

Thanks Simone. I'm looking forward to hearing what they say.

Here's the response:
- TH1 uses oversampling by default in all distortion pedals and amplifiers
- oversampling factor changes with sampling frequency to optimize CPU (it's fixed at 176.4 KHz for 44 and 88 for example)
- choosing the right oversampling is always a compromise: higher values reduce aliasing but forces us to use steeper filters which in exchange deteriorate the high-frequency spectrum
- the FIR filter being used is longer the higher is the oversampling factor: this filter if it's too long introduces a very long pre-ringing and post-ringing actually SMEARING transients and making end results sound worse in the high frequencies
- so the end result is fruit of a compromise where Overloud together with its listening gurus (I was in there too... I forgot...) decided to go for this compromise: clearer and sharper attacks, better high frequency rendition with a slight presence of aliasing
- also, don't take wrong assumptions on what it might seem aliasing: on distorted tones there can be a lot of inter-modulation distortion producing very wild results sometimes even in the real tube and analog world.
An example? Play a double stop G-string 14th fret and B-string 12th fret, then bend the G string slowly... you hear stuff which might sound as aliasing but it's intermodulation, same things happen in the real world.

In the end: we choose this compromise because it sounds better in real-life than it does with test tones, that's it.

Hope this helps.

[Shane Sanders]

And finally, what I love about all this stuff, completely beyond looking for "real" sounds (whatever that might mean), is that it's giving me sonic options that were only available for a few rich folks very little time ago.
Here's a little clip of an overdeiven guitar running through U-He's excellent MFM2 that I did during a Logic presentation/workshop. Listen to all that eerie, almost synth-alike stuff going on and tell me how you could do such things with hardware in case you're on a more or less tight budget:
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/gittemp/MFM_Guitar.mp3

That sounds really cool.

[Sascha Franck]

That sounds really cool.

Thanks Shane.
Btw, just fyi, I haven't forgotten the pics you asked me for. It's just that my camera all of a sudden stopped working (for whatever reasons, I suspect lousy battery connectors - bah, Canon...), but I may just put the axe in front of my Macbooks cam for now...

Cheers
Sascha

[Titho]

Finally I test my TH1 demo. My only word is I am enloved to died with it, first time ever in my life I get such a pretty tone(s)from my axes. I am still touched with demos in TH1 site, In a Mellow Drive - Sergio Cruz - hold my thumbs up as the beatiful guitar sound and Overloud Tango - Carlos Arellano jazzpick - the most incredible musical demo I ever listen from a amp simulator, a song could go easily in a world class artist cd. Since I have a free iLOK key maybe I could purchase both TH1 and Breverb for my Mac, does Overloud to have some discount xmas offer in that sense? hopeful to found my registered version bottomed in my xmass tree :=).
Congratulations to Overloud team, TH1 is fantastic!

[Simone Coen]

Finally I test my TH1 demo. My only word is I am enloved to died with it, first time ever in my life I get such a pretty tone(s)from my axes. I am still touched with demos in TH1 site, In a Mellow Drive - Sergio Cruz - hold my thumbs up as the beatiful guitar sound and Overloud Tango - Carlos Arellano jazzpick - the most incredible musical demo I ever listen from a amp simulator, a song could go easily in a world class artist cd. Since I have a free iLOK key maybe I could purchase both TH1 and Breverb for my Mac, does Overloud to have some discount xmas offer in that sense? hopeful to found my registered version bottomed in my xmass tree :=).
Congratulations to Overloud team, TH1 is fantastic!

We have a bundle offer for Breverb + TH1 on our website.

Otherwise go to your local store or local distributor website to find out where to get the boxed versions. You might even save by going that route.

[zvenx]

We have a bundle offer for Breverb + TH1 on our website.

Otherwise go to your local store or local distributor website to find out where to get the boxed versions. You might even save by going that route.

Hmmmmm I seem to recall someone asking for this on this very thread .....I don't see it on the site, and is it too late to benefit from it after having bought TH-1 last week or was it the week before?
thanks
rsp