Basic theory problem that it seems to be overlook
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- KVRAF
- 7827 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
There are no most perfect chords or chord progressions.
Rock, Country, Blues, Jazz and Folk all use chords in similar but not the same fashion.
Three methods of writing are-
Progression based. Play\write the progression and melody is the afterthought.
Melody based. Play\Write the melody and then go back and play chords in the same key
Harmonic Justification. Play\Write the melody and try to construct chords based on the actual note and not the key structure.
Rock, Country, Blues, Jazz and Folk all use chords in similar but not the same fashion.
Three methods of writing are-
Progression based. Play\write the progression and melody is the afterthought.
Melody based. Play\Write the melody and then go back and play chords in the same key
Harmonic Justification. Play\Write the melody and try to construct chords based on the actual note and not the key structure.
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Ok, so you'd probably better stop making music at all. No problem with me.jc21161 wrote:I don't like the idea of using chord progressions, because it's essentially is stealing from other songs, however one of my theory books make it seem like many chord progressions are as common as a single chord may be
- Sascha
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 48 posts since 29 Jan, 2008 from Washington State Sunnyside, USA
"oooooooo *shakes in boots* you attempt to belittle, drama queen!"
Hello Sascha Franck, No I'm just playing, but you are my favorite heckler though. Do you remember that guy? With hindsight that was so hilarious.
I better watch it or else he may come back. No, I did not report him if you were curious, maybe the next time. LOL
You should e-mail me Sascha Franck, so I will have my first official cyber stalker. LOL
So, would you like it if Fergie bought some of your songs, and they were playing on the radio, then a Rolling Stone magazine journalist comes to your house for an interview and asked "how did you write those songs?" Would you tell him the chords are from Miles Davis he got them from C Campbell Goalie, the melody and harmony are from some old piano music book, and I found the lyrics online, oh, but they are on the up and up because I switched a few things around? Or would you say, I just write things down the way that I like them, and others like them even more?
Hello Mattie, very cute, I think you're head is going to start getting very sore though.
As always tapper mike, thank you very much.
Hello Sascha Franck, No I'm just playing, but you are my favorite heckler though. Do you remember that guy? With hindsight that was so hilarious.
I better watch it or else he may come back. No, I did not report him if you were curious, maybe the next time. LOL
You should e-mail me Sascha Franck, so I will have my first official cyber stalker. LOL
So, would you like it if Fergie bought some of your songs, and they were playing on the radio, then a Rolling Stone magazine journalist comes to your house for an interview and asked "how did you write those songs?" Would you tell him the chords are from Miles Davis he got them from C Campbell Goalie, the melody and harmony are from some old piano music book, and I found the lyrics online, oh, but they are on the up and up because I switched a few things around? Or would you say, I just write things down the way that I like them, and others like them even more?
Hello Mattie, very cute, I think you're head is going to start getting very sore though.
As always tapper mike, thank you very much.
- KVRAF
- 16800 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
On chord progressions... ask yourself this question: Is repetition in music a bad thing? Like you have a chorus and a verse, they are repeated in the song. Good or bad? Make up your mind... Do whatever you like.
Most blues songs use the same chord progression. So what? If you don't like that then do it your way.
All composers are influenced by music they have heard. So what? You don't need to be original, but do avoid getting sued for lending an entire song
Most blues songs use the same chord progression. So what? If you don't like that then do it your way.
All composers are influenced by music they have heard. So what? You don't need to be original, but do avoid getting sued for lending an entire song
We are the KVR collective. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. 
My MusicCalc is served over https!!
My MusicCalc is served over https!!
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- KVRAF
- 4071 posts since 4 Mar, 2008 from Near Pittsburgh
Hello, musically illiterate twatstain, No I'm not playing, but you are my favorite moron though so please report me. Do you remember the last time you didn't make any sense in this thread? With or without hindsight, we still knew you were a jackass from the start. I better watch it or else you may spout more theoretically-illiterate nonsense, maybe the next time. LOLjc21161 wrote:"oooooooo *shakes in boots* you attempt to belittle, drama queen!"
Hello Sascha Franck, No I'm just playing, but you are my favorite heckler though. Do you remember that guy? With hindsight that was so hilarious.
I better watch it or else he may come back. No, I did not report him if you were curious, maybe the next time. LOL
You should e-mail me Sascha Franck, so I will have my first official cyber stalker. LOL
You should e-mail me Mr Ignorant Jackass, so I can have my next deleted item for the day. LOL
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- KVRAF
- 4222 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Tucson Arizona USA
High on my list of favorite theory books:tapper mike wrote:There are no most perfect chords or chord progressions.
Rock, Country, Blues, Jazz and Folk all use chords in similar but not the same fashion.
Three methods of writing are-
Progression based. Play\write the progression and melody is the afterthought.
Melody based. Play\Write the melody and then go back and play chords in the same key
Harmonic Justification. Play\Write the melody and try to construct chords based on the actual note and not the key structure.
The Structure of Atonal Music, Allen Forte, ISBN 978-0300021202
You won't actually learn anything from this book, but if you work your way through it, there is a chance that you might completely change your ideas of what constitutes harmony.
Serial Composition and Atonality, George Perle, ISBN 978-0520074309
This work is a little bit easier to approach than Forte's, particularly because it's describing Serialist ideas, as distinct from Atonal composition. Since Perle was one of the first people to try to nail these concepts down as music theory / set theory, he isn't terribly consistent with those distinctions. But he is certainly writing from a composer's point of view, as opposed to Forte who is writing from an analytical point of view.
Both of these books are a subject of dread for those of us who took Twentieth Century Music Theory, in my case the capstone elective at UNT now known as MUTH 4520. I mention this because I don't want to make this subject sound like it is any fun. It is mind-numbing stuff.
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- KVRAF
- 4071 posts since 4 Mar, 2008 from Near Pittsburgh
They know they sin by giving into the temptation to feed senseless f**king trolls.jc21161 wrote:"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
jc21161