Is it just me, or do bootsie's plugins don't do the trick...

[Arksun]

I can't name 1 digital eq that can reproduce second and third harmonics.

I can, Nebula. Check out the Doc Fear eq for it, do a high freq boost and then pick your jaw back up off the floor

Back on topic, The Nasty series is pretty damn good for freeware!.

[shogger]

I can't name 1 digital eq that can reproduce second and third harmonics.

I can, Nebula. Check out the Doc Fear eq for it, do a high freq boost and then pick your jaw back up off the floor

Back on topic, The Nasty series is pretty damn good for freeware!.

What the man said.

Shogger

[sunny_j]

i, for one, love RESCUE

[rouxxx]

I like Nasty VSD and tesla for compression/ saturation.
density is also good for a freeware.
nice plugins !

[kmonkey]

...at least not to me.


I was sorting out plugins last night, and unfortunately, Bootsie's creations are among them. It's a pity, cause they got very positive feedback and the likes. But I dunno - it's just not doing it for me.

I don't know what's wrong. It's not the loading times (they're fairly okay), it's not the GUI's (they look okay, too)... but it's the sound.

Density - I have tons of Compression alternatives, and that M/S matrix never really did it for me.

TesslaSE - after listening to ton of lowend enhancers and saturators, so far nothing really worked for me except for Nomad Factory (the Tape Machine), Elogoxa Baxxpander and now the Pultronic EQ. Either it's too subtle, or I just didn't understand the concept. I can hear nothing.

Rescue - Is the only plugin I'd keep (along with NastyCS mayhaps). It's a bit intense however and after listening to Mathew Lane's DrMS, I still prefer something subtle rather than crazy editing. It sure is not your any-day M/S tool - but as general transient designer... not a chance. Not in my book at least. If it'd be "without" the M/S features (for mono tracks) and you could actually tweak attack/release rather than having one big knob - then I might take a second closer look. But in general... maybe only interesting for bland and boring loops where you don't know how to spread them out, and/or give them more punch.

Nasty Series - to be honest, I couldn't get the TableTop thing to run properly (how to chain the NastyLF with the HF anyway?! Oh wait it's an own PLUG? It doesn't do JACK!) - it does create some "mojo" however, but that mojo is "what"? The NastyVSD never created any usable results to me either (yet another saturator to me). And the NastyCS sure looks like a Neve EQ, and this is another one of the plugin series I'd keep, but I don't know... it didn't click for me.

BootEQ - it looked good on papers, but "musically sounding" - not in my book. I boosted the sh*t out of this thing, and it was like, as if I was only pushing 2dB of gain (positive or negative).




Maybe it's just me, maybe it's my host/engine that the plugs don't work as they should. But I didn't get any suitable results out of these plugins.

Does that mean, that I don't know how much "worth" these plugins are? Is my critism uncalled for and should I hide in the corner? Am I the only one who thinks like that?

I mean I have TONS of plugins (all of them kinda doing similar stuff), and I'm happy to use even 20% of them in most of my productions - which sounds a bit intense already. So why not focus, on what I might really "need"?

Word up...

I see we are approaching to phase where here at KVR developers will be crucified for not releasing free one trick pony..

If you dont like them just pass them. Why wasting time,server bandwidth, etc. to express your opinion on free plugins. There is no universal plugin that will fit you anytime. Be it commercial or freeware.

If you can make some better plugins then make some and give them for FREE. Then come back here and say something about ummmm something...

Damn good freeware plugins btw. Thank you bootsie.

Until that you should have big respect on people like bootsie and IMO you should give only constructive criticism or something. what a waste of time....is it me?....or is it that guy?...doh..

No disrespect intended, dont get me wrong. just my two $.

[androidlove]

Why

[waveriderarts]

NastyHF, NastyLF, NastyCS, BootEQ

funny, I can't find any of it in the kvr database.... anyone has a link?

[thecontrolcentre]

NastyHF, NastyLF, NastyCS, BootEQ

funny, I can't find any of it in the kvr database.... anyone has a link?

All the links are in bootsie's threads ... not in the database.

[ughnonumus]

I have compared it for days with all the EQs I have. Payware and freeware. My favorite EQ for the top end was UAD Neve 1073. And second came the EQ section of UAD Neve 88RS as a perfect general channel EQ.

Thes are my fav's, as well.

However, I personally don't see a need to open up a thread and rifle through a developer's entire (free) line, just to pull it apart in the negative sense. The bottom line is this: one does not lift one's self by putting another down, simply put. There is a lot of this stuff on the Internet. More specifically, people seem to believe that if they can snub some technological achievement, then they are above it. FYI: this goes on in spiritual-type conversations all the time.

It appears to me that CriticalFox has a habit of starting threads that are specifically designed to rip apart an entire collection of plugs. In fact, he has a reputation for boldly stating that SE plugs are crap. Now, Bootsy appears to be in the radar. Interestingly, I've criticised Compyfox's ripping in the past and have received a very threatening PM that was laden with foul language. Before one can offer criticism, one must be able to handle it, as well.

[ughnonumus]

NastyHF, NastyLF, NastyCS, BootEQ

funny, I can't find any of it in the kvr database.... anyone has a link?

Perhaps, I missed your point (i.e. that Bootsy's plugs should be contained with the KVR db specifically), however, his plugs have been hosted by the good people at: http://rekkerd.org/ In fact, his new reverb is touted in the heading (i.e. top left-hand corner).

[eduardo_b]

If you dont like them just pass them. Why wasting time,server bandwidth, etc. to express your opinion on free plugins. There is no universal plugin that will fit you anytime. Be it commercial or freeware.

If you can make some better plugins then make some and give them for FREE. Then come back here and say something about ummmm something...

Damn good freeware plugins btw. Thank you bootsie.

Until that you should have big respect on people like bootsie and IMO you should give only constructive criticism or something. what a waste of time....is it me?....or is it that guy?...doh..

No disrespect intended, dont get me wrong. just my two $.

I think there's a legitimate role for questions as to why one isn't hearing what others are with specific plugs. Constructive criticism is quite different and doesn't serve the same purpose. Wasted bandwidth is neither the issue at hand nor anything more than personal opinion. One could just as easily say, if you don't like the topic, don't participate. I have no opinion on these particular plugs, so my only participation is observational, but there's nothing wrong with having opinions -- positive or not -- and noting them in a thread like this.

[mandt]

NastyHF, NastyLF, NastyCS, BootEQ

funny, I can't find any of it in the kvr database.... anyone has a link?

All the links are in bootsie's threads ... not in the database.

Which always confused me. Why aren't they?

[susiwong]

All the links are in bootsie's threads ... not in the database.

http://rekkerd.org/bootsy-plug-ins/
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 56&start=0
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=225135
Cheers,
susiwong

[Compyfox]

After reading 3 pages of posts I'm still wondering what's the point ?
You don't like certain plugins - don't use them and all's good.
Taste, style, workflow and experience differ massively.

To me it's also a question about why there is this hype actually, and if somebody really has to swim with the wave, susiwong.

If I look at the recent threads of plugin releases (not only Bootsie - I can only emphasize that this is no flamethread against him), you generally only read praise and even more praise. But on the other hand... are these tools really that outstanding?

Again, this is no stab towards Bootsie, SynthEdit, SynthMaker or Pluggo - it's a programing engine (however a CPU intensive one) - but in the flood of tools that come out recently, can you really be critical, or is this just some sort of fanboyism. (not counting gratidue here, which is indeed needed so say at least "thanks")

This is a discussion board, people's opinions differ. But is that so wrong?

A real world example :
Let's take NastyCS.
I see this basically as a combination of the best features of several classic EQs (Pultec's dual bass controls, the shiny, no brainer treble of a 1073 and the mid bands of the 1081 thrown in for good measure).
This combination which afaik is not available elsewhere works wonders on all material that doesn't need surgical corrections and the results tend to sound organic and "invisible" in most cases. Important for non-synthetic material.
For radical changes look elsewhere.

...

And in direct comparison with UA, I won't start splitting hairs here, the high band of NastyCS imho is much closer to UA's 1073 than the high band of UA's own 1081, similar for the other bands, so that's close enough in my book.
Whether you like those characteristics and the whole concept at all is your individual decision.

I heard this several times already now. Granted, the NastyCS does look like the Neve 1084, but is it just inspired, or is there some more behind it? Or is it really just coincidence, that these plugins do behave like old mixing desk channelstrip EQs?

To be honest, I only touched a SSL desk once for like 10 minutes, same goes for a Neve desk, neither do I have a UAD card (yet). So I can't go as in-depth or microorganism-like as bManic with compressors and C.Budde with EQs - I just see this thing in front of me and be like "okay looks oldschool - let's tweak... ack... something sounds strage/not right... do I keep it?"

Though I do admit that NastyCS is one of two plugins out of the bunch, that I'd keep. But I always come back to the question "don't you have enough plugins already? You come back to the same plugs over and over. On a real big desk, you don't use 10 different EQs either".

I mean... I still mostly use *gasp - blasphemy* Steinberg's Q. Though this IS a broad EQ, which is why I mostly abuse IIEQ as of late.

Just for the record, I'm using bootsie's plugs regularly alongside UAD and SSL, they provide very useful alternatives on a comparable quality level imho, man, we would have killed for FX of that calibre a few years ago, regardless of price.

True that. I still remember standard plugins from a major German firm costing a fortune to even IMPLEMENT into the studio. Now we're like flooded with tools. Some of them not cheap compared to what they offer though (the thing with "brandnames" again).

And this is also my main concern - do I let myself drown in them and test each and everything that's coming out (aka the "shiny-must-have" factor), or do I simply say "I'm happy with what I have"? But there's always this small bit up in the air like "it might be the pandora's box you're looking for so long now!" - and back to testing out other stuff again rather than making music.

That said, they sure are not for everyone.
Ymmv, and that's a good thing,

True, most of that stuff is definitely not my cup of tea. For some people it's just the thing. Like often said already - if you know how, you can recreate all that with other tools, too. It's really a convenience thing (IMO!).

If you dont like them just pass them. Why wasting time,server bandwidth, etc. to express your opinion on free plugins. There is no universal plugin that will fit you anytime. Be it commercial or freeware.

Well I find it a greater waste of bandwidth talking about nonsense, doing polls about fish, making "IBTL" posts and other stuff along those lines rather than having a casual discussion about samples, effects or instruments. Like eduardo_b said it, nobody forces anybody to participate.

If you can make some better plugins then make some and give them for FREE. Then come back here and say something about ummmm something...

So you imply, that only developers are allowed to post from now on? Interesting.

Damn good freeware plugins btw. Thank you bootsie.

Until that you should have big respect on people like bootsie and IMO you should give only constructive criticism or something. what a waste of time....is it me?....or is it that guy?...doh..

I never said anything against that. Neither that these plugins are crap in some way, nor that Bootsie is a crap plugin creator. I only said that these tools don't do it for me and whether or not I'm mistaken, hence alone with my opinion since all there was up until now was only praise.

However, I personally don't see a need to open up a thread and rifle through a developer's entire (free) line, just to pull it apart in the negative sense.

Again, I didn't shred them apart and was like "don't grab them, they're shite!". I was ranting on my experience with them. If I look at several music boards, 90% of the posts are ranting - and I'm just one of many doing the very same thing in this case.

The bottom line is this: one does not lift one's self by putting another down, simply put. There is a lot of this stuff on the Internet. More specifically, people seem to believe that if they can snub some technological achievement, then they are above it. FYI: this goes on in spiritual-type conversations all the time.

A sad thing that unfortunately happens every day in several ways - also here on KVR. And we both are no exception on that one.

It appears to me that CriticalFox has a habit of starting threads that are specifically designed to rip apart an entire collection of plugs. In fact, he has a reputation for boldly stating that SE plugs are crap. Now, Bootsy appears to be in the radar. Interestingly, I've criticised Compyfox's ripping in the past and have received a very threatening PM that was laden with foul language. Before one can offer criticism, one must be able to handle it, as well.

Look, we got off on the wrong foot in the past - I'm sorry about that.

This one here is a total different topic though. I'm not ripping the plugins apart. As I said already, I wrote down that they don't work for me. It's a different topic with my (and others) experience with a certain firm from down under. But this is not a hateroll against SE/SM/Pluggo (heck I use H.G. Fortune's Synth and two Elogoxa Plugins - they're all SE, I also recently aquired Pultronic EQ-110P - which is SM), or Bootsie. I stated back in the day, that there's a huge flood, and that you simply don't know anymore what's good and what's crap in the bunch. Especially if created with standard modules and therefore praised as ultimate plugin you haven't seen elsewhere.

...which is my personal opinion, as you have yours.


The PM back in the day resulted in you exclusively posting in my threads only and unnecessarily flaming me out of no reason instead of being more calm and constructive. I was on the edge and simply told you that. I can take critism, I'm not perfect either, nor is my brain a digital library of wisdom (as seen in the guitar pickup thread), but I don't hide behind a name on the internet or give people nicknames. Or how would you like it if I call you "Mr-Anonymous-Perfect-Guitar-Player-know-it-all" on here? Don't you think that is impolite? I do think so too. So I don't do it, ughnonumus.

I'm offering you a peace pipe - if you want to accept that, write me a PM and we can sort things out.

I think there's a legitimate role for questions as to why one isn't hearing what others are with specific plugs. Constructive criticism is quite different and doesn't serve the same purpose. Wasted bandwidth is neither the issue at hand nor anything more than personal opinion. One could just as easily say, if you don't like the topic, don't participate. I have no opinion on these particular plugs, so my only participation is observational, but there's nothing wrong with having opinions -- positive or not -- and noting them in a thread like this.

Words of wisdom... thanks for that, eduardo_b.

[bootsie]

NastyHF, NastyLF, NastyCS, BootEQ

funny, I can't find any of it in the kvr database.... anyone has a link?

All the links are in bootsie's threads ... not in the database.

Which always confused me. Why aren't they?

The secret answer to this miracle is already given deep in this thread here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3234379