KVR Audio

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:30 am

That's a pity. I was considering making a template for using it in NI KORE but there's not so much incentive doing it for the full version as Kore can't load its patches but it can for the free one.

chicken muffin · Post by **chicken muffin** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:22 pm

is it just me, or do the presets (besides big tone)in helix suck terribly

serious this guy needs to hire some more sound designers.

John-E34 · Post by **John-E34** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:46 pm

chicken muffin wrote:is it just me, or do the presets (besides big tone)in helix suck terribly serious this guy needs to hire some more sound designers.

No.... It's not just you

chicken muffin · Post by **chicken muffin** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:55 pm

John-E34 wrote:
chicken muffin wrote:is it just me, or do the presets (besides big tone)in helix suck terribly serious this guy needs to hire some more sound designers.
No.... It's not just you

this thing should have stayed freeware

John-E34 · Post by **John-E34** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:17 pm

chicken muffin wrote:
John-E34 wrote:
chicken muffin wrote:is it just me, or do the presets (besides big tone)in helix suck terribly serious this guy needs to hire some more sound designers.
No.... It's not just you

this thing should have stayed freeware

It should have been priced so as not to compete with the alternatives, ie Zebra, Surge, Alchemy and Galadiator.

I have purchased all these, and looked so many times at Helix..... At least I have confidence that Urs will still be around in 2010.... Not sure about Helix though

If it was priced the same as FireBird, I would already be looking to buy the expansion packs....

chicken muffin · Post by **chicken muffin** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:25 pm

gladiator east helix for breakfast

i think im just upset because helix was priced so high. i think it was misleading for the developer to announce helix as freeware, or imply that it would be, and then, because people liked it so much, decided to go payware and pricy at that. but hes just trying to pay the bills

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:42 pm

Coincidentally, both Zebra and Surge has been getting lots of critique for their presets.

FWIW, If I remember correctly, Jonas has said he thinks sales are quite good, no?

It's quite a matter of taste. I love Surge and Helix, but find Gladiator to be like maybe... a 3.5/5

For ME that is, I completely get that others love it, because it's a good synth.

Haven't really used Zebra though

But I don't get what the deal with the "I don't get why I should choose this over this" discussion that revolves around lots of plugins. Don't get it then, if you're already happy with what you got

JonasNorberg · Post by **JonasNorberg** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:01 pm

chicken muffin wrote:this thing should have stayed freeware

Don't be a hater man

I don't say toyota is a shit car just because it's not for me.

Honestly BigTone is the most experienced sound designer of the bunch, but I think Adam, Reason and MaliceX have done some really cool presets too. Maybe BigTones style is more suiting to you?

I know I appreciate making my own presets in Helix, if you get the "hang" of it, maybe you would too. It might be true Helix is a synth for "tweakers" who wants to get deeper into experimenting and synthesis then average joe.

Jonas

JonasNorberg · Post by **JonasNorberg** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:02 pm

stefancrs wrote:FWIW, If I remember correctly, Jonas has said he thinks sales are quite good, no?

Well, it won't feed the kids, but it's a nice motivation

[edit]"feeding the kids" is a figure of speech. I don't have kids... especially not starving ones

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zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:43 pm

chicken muffin wrote:gladiator east helix for breakfast i think im just upset because helix was priced so high. i think it was misleading for the developer to announce helix as freeware, or imply that it would be, and then, because people liked it so much, decided to go payware and pricy at that. but hes just trying to pay the bills

"I Love Music, I Cant Afford It. I Love Music Software, I Can Afford Very Little. Its Very Hard To Do The Right Thing In A Very Wrong World."

Yeah, we get it. You're broke and you want everything for free or cheap. Perhaps you make what you're worth. It's so cliché trying to cut someone down who's actually out in the world working hard to make something. Is Audjoo "THE MAN" trying to "keep you down?"

Chicken Muffin, what do you do?

The world is full of freeware right now. Download some of it or spark up your beloved Gladiator (did your mum buy you that for Christmas?) and make some music instead of trying to cut down a small independent software developer. If you think that $149 is a lot of money then perhaps you should try working harder or spending less money on pot and KFC. Christ, when I was working a paper route at 14 I was able to save up for a Richenbacker 360 guitar and a Vox Amp.

Frankly, I wasn't all that impressed with the free beta of Helix and I kind of wondered what the fuss was about. When the commercial version was released I figured I'd give it a shot and it was one of those "I can't stop myself" moments where before I knew it I was buying it. It's an amazing synth. It's sounds amazing and is super light on the CPU for what it does. I happen to think the presets are brilliant as well. The UI is nothing to write home about, but it's basically fine.

Thanks Jonas, I hope one day the proceeds of your labour of love do feed your kids.

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:17 pm

chicken muffin wrote:is it just me, or do the presets (besides big tone)in helix suck terribly serious this guy needs to hire some more sound designers.

I think the MaliceX presets are among the best i have heard.
(Btw, i have improved and updated mine, if anyone is interested)

I still hope that a bass pack preset bank will be available at some point (with less 80's sounds and more electronica/dubstep sounds), but the Helix preset management is so good that i could make my own folder with a compilation gathering all the sounds i like. So i don't lose too much time browsing dozens of banks.

It should have been priced so as not to compete with the alternatives, ie Zebra, Surge, Alchemy and Galadiator.

I have Zebra and GLadiator, and i think Helix is well worth the comparison, it is definitively in the same league.
Zebra has more and better presets indeed, in a wider range of genres, but once you 've made your selection in your own folder, Helix is still having a good bunch of very good sounds to start with.
Gladiator is easier to read, understand and dial/set, indeed, but i think it is mostly a matter of Helix having more of everything so more parameters = more time to set up, and a less easy-to-read interface.
And helix has a damn massive sound with no cpu

pandashake · Post by **pandashake** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:30 pm

JonasNorberg wrote:Honestly BigTone is the most experienced sound designer of the bunch, but I think everyone except for that pandashake dude have done some really cool presets too. Maybe BigTones style is more suiting to you?

Fixed that for you, hater.

chicken muffin · Post by **chicken muffin** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:09 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
chicken muffin wrote:gladiator east helix for breakfast i think im just upset because helix was priced so high. i think it was misleading for the developer to announce helix as freeware, or imply that it would be, and then, because people liked it so much, decided to go payware and pricy at that. but hes just trying to pay the bills

"I Love Music, I Cant Afford It. I Love Music Software, I Can Afford Very Little. Its Very Hard To Do The Right Thing In A Very Wrong World."

Yeah, we get it. You're broke and you want everything for free or cheap. Perhaps you make what you're worth. It's so cliché trying to cut someone down who's actually out in the world working hard to make something. Is Audjoo "THE MAN" trying to "keep you down?" Chicken Muffin, what do you do?

The world is full of freeware right now. Download some of it or spark up your beloved Gladiator (did your mum buy you that for Christmas?) and make some music instead of trying to cut down a small independent software developer. If you think that $149 is a lot of money then perhaps you should try working harder or spending less money on pot and KFC. Christ, when I was working a paper route at 14 I was able to save up for a Richenbacker 360 guitar and a Vox Amp.

Frankly, I wasn't all that impressed with the free beta of Helix and I kind of wondered what the fuss was about. When the commercial version was released I figured I'd give it a shot and it was one of those "I can't stop myself" moments where before I knew it I was buying it. It's an amazing synth. It's sounds amazing and is super light on the CPU for what it does. I happen to think the presets are brilliant as well. The UI is nothing to write home about, but it's basically fine.

Thanks Jonas, I hope one day the proceeds of your labour of love do feed your kids.

ill say whatever i want. its a free world.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:15 pm

chicken muffin wrote:ill say whatever i want. its a free world.

i prefer the pay as you talk version

mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:17 pm

chicken muffin wrote:
ill say whatever i want. its a free world.

really? didn't you mean: "it's a freeware world"?

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