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Very nice demos there. :tu:


Interesting looking at those 2KHz self oscillation graphs. Looks to me pretty well like much of the differences are down to distortion (which is always what I figured mostly - I notice the more character filters (i.e. notice the MS20 one) have strong harmonics all the way up - nice and regular in 2KHz steps, but lots of it, and you can spot different patterns to it, such as every 2nd harmonic being raised. Notice the Juno106 (which I've stated again and again here is utterly over-rated as an analogue - it's lifeless and sterile) has very few harmonics - I'd imagine a Synthedit filter graph would look much the same as the 106 one. TBH, I actually thought there would be more random patterns to some of the filters - surprised by how uniform most of them are...

Surprised by the Moog filter too - much different pattern. (TBH I don't really like Moogs - the only one I ever liked was a big P3 modular stuffed full of every module and 9 oscillators - but how couldn't anyone like one of those?).

But yeah - I think that was a good choice of demos. Those that have never heard stuff put through analogue filters via external input don't realise how good and how creative they can be and what us old farts are constantly banging on about. Very nice to hear it being done so effectively via s/w now. I really am impressed by Strobes filters.

Keep those demos coming - we can just soak them up for weeks (although I'm sure you've all got loads of more useful things you need to be doing). :lol:

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kritikon wrote: Interesting looking at those 2KHz self oscillation graphs. Looks to me pretty well like much of the differences are down to distortion (which is always what I figured mostly - I notice the more character filters (i.e. notice the MS20 one) have strong harmonics all the way up - nice and regular in 2KHz steps, but lots of it, and you can spot different patterns to it, such as every 2nd harmonic being raised. Notice the Juno106 (which I've stated again and again here is utterly over-rated as an analogue - it's lifeless and sterile) has very few harmonics - I'd imagine a Synthedit filter graph would look much the same as the 106 one. TBH, I actually thought there would be more random patterns to some of the filters - surprised by how uniform most of them are...

Surprised by the Moog filter too - much different pattern. (TBH I don't really like Moogs - the only one I ever liked was a big P3 modular stuffed full of every module and 9 oscillators - but how couldn't anyone like one of those?).
The self osc harmonics only really lets you double check your model, it's not a way to start writing a model. Also those graphs are taken from the main output, which also includes extra drive from several other amps before it reaches the main out. Once you have analysed the circuit schematic and modeled as many of the components as you have cpu available you can also make a self osc. But in the end you always have to check the sound, since plots like these don't help with many aspects of what makes a filter sound good. Just to remind you that I haven't modeled any particular filter, but have taken as much as possible of what makes all these filters sound good and made my own one based on them. Another interesting thing to note when listening to the self osc is how it starts. When you increase the resonance and self osc just kicks in you typically have just a main sin peak, then one second and perhaps just a little third harmonic, then as you increase the resonance the pitch will drop of the tone and it becomes more distorted with more upper harmonics. This is very easy to check on software synths, turn all the oscillators off and crank up the resonance and have a listen. You may need to add just the smallest bit of noise to the input of the filter to get it going.[/quote]
kritikon wrote: But yeah - I think that was a good choice of demos.
Did you find the strobe_arp_presets.mp3 useful, where I just flip through a whole bunch of different sounds with the same notes playing? I wasn't so happy with that one, but I understand that people want to hear some of the presets.
kritikon wrote:Those that have never heard stuff put through analogue filters via external input don't realise how good and how creative they can be and what us old farts are constantly banging on about. Very nice to hear it being done so effectively via s/w now. I really am impressed by Strobes filters.

Keep those demos coming - we can just soak them up for weeks (although I'm sure you've all got loads of more useful things you need to be doing). :lol:
Loads more demos coming, the bass and lead ones will be the most fun as this is what strobe is mainly about. I'll try to do another audio input one as well, then I have two more synths after that to do.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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2 questions

1. copy protection?

2. downloadable demo versions?


cheers

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From what I can hear through these demos these synths are really quite stunning, probably the most convincing analogue sounds I've heard from a soft synth (the best I've heard up untill now are probably VAZ, despite it's relative age and the Gmedia ones), can't wait to get my hands on them. There's obviously a lot of work gone into them, well done :)

kritikon wrote:...Notice the Juno106 (which I've stated again and again here is utterly over-rated as an analogue - it's lifeless and sterile) has very few harmonics
Well, I certainly wouldn't recomend it if someone was looking for a warm and 'pHAt' analogue synth, but I like that 'sterile' character you get from a Juno (I've got a 6 actually, not sure how much of a difference there is), it's certainly a different type of colour you get from a sterile digital synth, and it's nice to get different characters from different synths, it's just down to the context of how you'll use it

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todd_r wrote:Well, I certainly wouldn't recomend it if someone was looking for a warm and 'pHAt' analogue synth, but I like that 'sterile' character you get from a Juno (I've got a 6 actually, not sure how much of a difference there is)
There is a huge difference sonically between the Juno 106 and the Juno 6, I've had a listen to both. I haven't had a chance to check out the schematics in detail and work out why, but it could be down to the filter, even though they use the same IR3109 iirc, the amount of drive going in and other components like the capacitors used can make a huge difference to the sound. Even the IR3109 batch could possibly make a difference and the Juno 6 was made earlier, Roland could have refined the process and made a more sterile sounding filter chip.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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Will the Amber chorus be availabe as a seperate effect at some point down the line? If it has been modelled properly/musically than a whole bunch of folks would wanna pass other strings and stuff through it.
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Did you find the strobe_arp_presets.mp3 useful, where I just flip through a whole bunch of different sounds with the same notes playing? I wasn't so happy with that one, but I understand that people want to hear some of the presets.
Yes, I did. Although some of the others where you FSU a bit more was more useful to me personally. But I know I'm a bit more geeky than some with patching synths - it's more of a passion with me than actually finishing songs etc. I'd imagine flipping through presets with an arp running would be extremely popular with many of the tarnce people, in fact with any genre of electronic dance stuff. I'm really not into hoovers and all that stuff any more, but I'd imagine if you made some demos with unison and huge fat flabby leads would garner some admiration from a large market too. Stack up a few oscillators, use PWM and any other trick to make them as overblown as possible (can you route it through the string thing's chorus?), then 101-ify it with some nice filter action, and there'll be some man-fluid spilled around KvR I think... :hihi:

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Oh yeah...

Dr. Who type sounds. Weird bleeps, bloops, boings and warbles. I'm more into dubby type stuff at the moment so I'd like to see what madness Strobe can do, maybe a few weird bleeps and run through the filter types instead of presets. This only panders to my own personal taste though. (although I think Cypher would be my personal choice for complete madness), and those type of sounds would still appeal to the dance market I think?


{EDIT} - Please. I forget my manners in my eagerness...
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Question about the envelopes, how fast does the attack on modulation envelopes react?. In particular when assigned to filter cutoff.

One of the things that is a weakness in a lot of soft-synths is the speed and accuracy of the envelopes when using very fast attack times. You end up getting this dull clicking sound, instead of that super smooth ultra fast sweep one would expect to hear.

Sylenth1 has one of the nicest sounding fast attacks with its mod envelope (one of its greatest strengths), would be great to see(hear) other synths adopting equally fast or faster reacting envelopes :)
Arksun
Music Producer | Sound Designer
www.arksun-sound.com

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HunterKiller wrote:Will the Amber chorus be availabe as a seperate effect at some point down the line? If it has been modelled properly/musically than a whole bunch of folks would wanna pass other strings and stuff through it.
The Amber chorus and formant filter are effects available in Fusor to put on any of the synths.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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I must say, I'm hoping for super fast envelopes as well............

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Question about the envelopes, how fast does the attack on modulation envelopes react?. In particular when assigned to filter cutoff.

One of the things that is a weakness in a lot of soft-synths is the speed and accuracy of the envelopes when using very fast attack times. You end up getting this dull clicking sound, instead of that super smooth ultra fast sweep one would expect to hear.
A good point. That was one of the really strong points with ProOnes and 101/202s. Lightning fast envelopes for seriously twangy basslines. So maybe some acidy twangy basslines would be nice too, please. He's right about s/w - most VSTi, I came to hate those awful clicks they make with quick decay settings.

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Arksun wrote:Question about the envelopes, how fast does the attack on modulation envelopes react?. In particular when assigned to filter cutoff.

One of the things that is a weakness in a lot of soft-synths is the speed and accuracy of the envelopes when using very fast attack times. You end up getting this dull clicking sound, instead of that super smooth ultra fast sweep one would expect to hear.

Sylenth1 has one of the nicest sounding fast attacks with its mod envelope (one of its greatest strengths), would be great to see(hear) other synths adopting equally fast or faster reacting envelopes :)
Envelopes on many fat plippy sounding analog synths aren't actually that fast, but they do update smoothly which is the key to make good "plop" type noises with them. All key parameters, eg filter cutoff, resonance, oscillator mix faders, pitch etc are smoothed per sample to acheive this from any modulation source, not just envelopes.

Andrew Simper
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The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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kritikon wrote:
Question about the envelopes, how fast does the attack on modulation envelopes react?. In particular when assigned to filter cutoff.

One of the things that is a weakness in a lot of soft-synths is the speed and accuracy of the envelopes when using very fast attack times. You end up getting this dull clicking sound, instead of that super smooth ultra fast sweep one would expect to hear.
A good point. That was one of the really strong points with ProOnes and 101/202s. Lightning fast envelopes for seriously twangy basslines. So maybe some acidy twangy basslines would be nice too, please. He's right about s/w - most VSTi, I came to hate those awful clicks they make with quick decay settings.
Oops, I meant to say decay, well any parameter in the envelope really, but its the decay I'd mostly use for cutoff sweeping not attack :oops:
Arksun
Music Producer | Sound Designer
www.arksun-sound.com

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Ok, I've finished another demo:

http://www.vellocet.com/SynthSquadAudio ... resets.mp3

And also Robert Elster has done a great cypher demo,thanks Robert!
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http://www.vellocet.com/SynthSquadAudio ... tweaks.mp3
NOTE: This audio is only for use by fxpansion to demonstrate the Synth Squad product, all other rights reserved.
Artist: Robert Elster (c) 2009 www.vibrasphere.com
Description: Cypher bass melody with various tweaks showing the filter cutoff, reso, drive and pink noise from osc 2.
Effects: None
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Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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