The Fight for FM

[Rangtangtang]

I don't understand anything

you don't...mmmmm

[z15]

I don't think this synth can produce spectacular sounds. What I'm talking about is the general tone. Listen to the tightness of the envelopes, and notice the absense of an aggressive high end that so often plagues the plugin world.

Could you then point one preset that represents the general tone well (or just say "any of them" if it doesn't matter which one) so we could get forward in defining what the general tone may be about, instead of arguing?

[whyterabbyt]

You should read what I write before commenting, I think.

perhaps you should read my question as a question, something which is different from a comment.

It is NOT about emulating ANYTHING, the main thing is about making a good, "real" solid musically useful sound.

By who's definitions of 'good', 'real', 'solid' and 'musically useful'?

And aren't you in the minority of people who think that those arent already achieved at a sufficient level.

Which makes the next bit ironic.

Who other than a nut with some ax to grind would disagree with that beats me.

Who other than a nut with some axe to grind would stand up and say that everyone agrees with them completely over subjective assessments like 'good' and 'solid', and that only nutters would disagree.

Quality sound is NOT a flaw. It is a feature that appears by accident or design or both.

See that thing you said about reading what people wrote before commenting? You should try it. No-one claimed 'quality sound was a flaw'. In fact, what I said is pretty much repeated by your 'feature that appears by accident'. So thanks for agreeing.

People want FM that doesn't sound "weak", as far as I can tell.

Correction : Some small minority of people want FM that doesn't sound "weak" to them, by their definition of 'weak', whilst most folk are perfectly happy using what exists.

[Rangtangtang]

Listen to the tightness of the envelopes, and notice the absense of an aggressive high end

may be about, instead of arguing?

.....mmmmmmm......

[z15]

.....mmmmmmm......

Hmm oh yeah, got a spare bag of popcorn for me too?

[Aroused by JarJar]

You should read what I write before commenting, I think.

perhaps you should read my question as a question, something which is different from a comment.

It is NOT about emulating ANYTHING, the main thing is about making a good, "real" solid musically useful sound.

By who's definitions of 'good', 'real', 'solid' and 'musically useful'?

And aren't you in the minority of people who think that those arent already achieved at a sufficient level.

??? See if you'd read what I write you'd already know that I have my own FM synth that I like very much (and it is software).

Which makes the next bit ironic.

Who other than a nut with some ax to grind would disagree with that beats me.

Who other than a nut with some axe to grind would stand up and say that everyone agrees with them completely over subjective assessments like 'good' and 'solid', and that only nutters would disagree.

Straw man. I'm totally cool with people thinking FM8 for example sounds great, totally open to accepting their subjective opinion as "objective", which it is in art. The flipside of this is NOT that I and others are deluded fools for NOT finding it to sound good, but finding other synths to sound good.

Quality sound is NOT a flaw. It is a feature that appears by accident or design or both.

See that thing you said about reading what people wrote before commenting? You should try it. No-one claimed 'quality sound was a flaw'. In fact, what I said is pretty much repeated by your 'feature that appears by accident'. So thanks for agreeing.[/quote]

By accident and/or design. What sounds good to me in the FM synth I use happens by purely by design, not by accident.

People want FM that doesn't sound "weak", as far as I can tell.

Correction : Some small minority of people want FM that doesn't sound "weak" to them, by their definition of 'weak', whilst most folk are perfectly happy using what exists.[/quote]

Don't you mean to add "as far as I can tell?" Or do you speak from divine authority?

[living sounds]

And aren't you in the minority of people who think that those arent already achieved at a sufficient level.

Of course, your assumption that a majority at this board doesn't hear a difference wouldn't make it any more true.

[tony tony chopper]

pick a goddamn VOPM preset

[living sounds]

pick a goddamn VOPM preset

no need to get angry. pick the "China Bell Doub" from the "bells" list for example. Listen how fast and snappy the attack sounds (provided you've got the converters and monitors to hear it). Listen how balanced it all sounds, how homogenous it sounds accross the whole key range. How well it fits in a mix. How the attack is really clear and sharp whitout any aggression. How you can press 10 or more keys at once without getting a mess, but one clear punchy output. How it sounds alive when you play arpeggios, like every single keystroke is a little different. That's what musicians care for. That's what makes producers and mixers happy.

[Chris Walton]

[whyterabbyt]

Of course, your assumption that a majority at this board doesn't hear a difference wouldn't make it any more true.

Learn to read, fool. I said nothing about this board, or about the ability to hear differences.

[nuffink]

pick a goddamn VOPM preset

no need to get angry. pick the "China Bell Doub" from the "bells" list for example. Listen how fast and snappy the attack sounds (provided you've got the converters and monitors to hear it). Listen how balanced it all sounds, how homogenous it sounds accross the whole key range. How well it fits in a mix. How the attack is really clear and sharp whitout any aggression. How you can press 10 or more keys at once without getting a mess, but one clear punchy output. How it sounds alive when you play arpeggios, like every single keystroke is a little different. That's what musicians care for. That's what makes producers and mixers happy.

Yeah, I'm sure you know better than him what makes producers and mixers happy.


How many FL Studio's you sold now gol?

[living sounds]

Why do you two have to resort to insults all the time? Let's have a discussion like adults, just for once, all right?

The "Glocken 1" patch in VOPM is a great example as well. Put an arpeggiator (like the free Wuzik one in front of it).

[nuffink]

Why do you too have to resort to insults all the time? Let's have a discussion like adults, just for once, all right?

Adults understand that the yardstick in their head is personal not universal. It's impossible to have an adult conversation with somebody who hasn't learned this.

[tony tony chopper]

ok just to be sure that I won't waste my time, we're talking about this, right?
http://anothergol.googlepages.com/China.mp3