Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor

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living sounds wrote:
andy_cytomic wrote: I'm not modeling non-linarities of the transformers or that2181 chips, nor the hiss introduced by them. I'm keeping this compressor as a clean, don't take too much cpu so you can use loads of them in a track, buss compressor.
Andrew Simper
I thought so. The coloration aspect in analog hardware can be great and just the thing you need in many instances, but it's not really necessary to make great sounding tracks. The important part is to have a plugin compressor that can lend a kick drum that punch, and a vocal track the heavily compressed but still breathing sound, etc.
Nonlinearities would be nice, but you could a very CPU heavy plugin for the mastering stage, in the way that people often send the master mix through a studio tape machine in order to get the overall glue and color.
Actually, non-linear behaviour from the that2181 is not desired, the more expensive the "that" chip the more linear it is. And as for the hiss multiple that2181 chips are used to improve the signal to noise and linearity of the compressors. With this in mind I can make a perfect that2181 chip in my compressor, and do what would be impossible in analog. Where non-linearities are a feature of the compressor instead of a drawback I model them. The kinds distortion we are talking about here are so small as to be almost inaudible in a mix anyway, and really wouldn't take much cpu to model at all. I have chosen not to to make a better product.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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living sounds wrote:As for the GUI, I'd really like to see the actual values on the GUI, and be able to edit them by entering numbers.
You can double click and enter numbers. The mouse over will give you units.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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SWAN808 wrote:If you are doing an unbranded 'emulation' of the Distressor do you need permission from Empirical Labs? How does this sort of thing work...? UA work/release very slowly so its not like I could see a Distressor coming out this year or even the following year....

Or is it more of a case that if UA are going to go there - you would rather take Cytomic a different direction...?
To do a model I need the schematic and the hardware to check against. The schematic afaik is not publicly available.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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andy_cytomic wrote: Actually, non-linear behaviour from the that2181 is not desired, the more expensive the "that" chip the more linear it is. And as for the hiss multiple that2181 chips are used to improve the signal to noise and linearity of the compressors. With this in mind I can make a perfect that2181 chip in my compressor, and do what would be impossible in analog. Where non-linearities are a feature of the compressor instead of a drawback I model them. The kinds distortion we are talking about here are so small as to be almost inaudible in a mix anyway, and really wouldn't take much cpu to model at all. I have chosen not to to make a better product.

Andrew Simper

Yes, the real SSL (non-clone) compressor uses a stack of VCAs. I think the (sometimes) desireable coloration in the SSL compressor comes from the 5532/5534 opamps. Certain variants of that chip, especially the old Signetics/Phillips and original JRC brand are supposed to add pleasant coloration. I'll have a few here soon to for testing. But again, I agree that it's much better to not impliment this in the plugin, or at least to be able to turn it off.

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andy_cytomic wrote:
SWAN808 wrote:If you are doing an unbranded 'emulation' of the Distressor do you need permission from Empirical Labs? How does this sort of thing work...? UA work/release very slowly so its not like I could see a Distressor coming out this year or even the following year....

Or is it more of a case that if UA are going to go there - you would rather take Cytomic a different direction...?
To do a model I need the schematic and the hardware to check against. The schematic afaik is not publicly available.

Andrew Simper
Shoot me a PM, I might be able to point you to information about the inner workings of the Distressor and even hook you up with someone who dissected it.

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living sounds wrote:Shoot me a PM, I might be able to point you to information about the inner workings of the Distressor and even hook you up with someone who dissected it.
Thanks for the offer of help. Is it ok if I contact you some other time? Right now I have no brain space for anything other than finishing sse optimisations on three synthesizers and finishing the gui and copy protection on a compressor.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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andy_cytomic wrote: Thanks for the offer of help. Is it ok if I contact you some other time? Right now I have no brain space for anything other than finishing sse optimisations on three synthesizers and finishing the gui and copy protection on a compressor.

Andrew Simper
Sure. :-)

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So I take it the compressor is THAT close to being finished? I can't wait! :hyper:
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djanthonyw wrote:So I take it the compressor is THAT close to being finished? I can't wait! :)
I'm definitely on target for Q1.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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Great. :)'
There'll be a demo, will there?

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Nokenoku wrote:Great. :)'
There'll be a demo, will there?
Yes, as soon as I can invest the extra time and effort and thought and into making a demo version. The demo version will come after the initial release, and the time taken to do it will only be possible with income from sales of the product itself.

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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K-Slash wrote:
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Dean :)
+1 :)
Yeah i like the approach (not the price mind) of what Phil Moore has gone for, just take a classic but improve upon it with extra fuctionality...etc

Nice to meet a fellow admirer of his work K-Slash :tu:
I am no gear whore by a long margin because i just simply can not afford to be lol, but i can still look, try and admire :)

Dean

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andy_cytomic wrote:My protection is a serial number, not challenge and response based on some operating system heuristic. It will never time out, or stop working for any reason to do with you changing hardware in your system. You will be able to authorise on multiple machines and you will have the license to use it for a single composition at a time, even if that spans multiple machines (eg using a second machine for extra processing via some vst send / return network plugin).
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The reason I have bought most Sonalksis plugins instead of some other stuff, even though they are more expensive, and the reason I don't own a single Waves plugin!
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By the way, you're SURE you wont have 0.1s release time as well?? I think I would miss it a bit for aggressive compression... =(
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rydan wrote:By the way, you're SURE you wont have 0.1s release time as well?? I think I would miss it a bit for aggressive compression... =(
It is 0.1 S release. It's just labelled more correctly than the original unit. To save confusion I will label it incorrectly as well. So the release times will be:

Release (S): 0.1, 0.2, 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 1.2, Auto

Andrew Simper
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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