DEEP SPACES scales-oriented IR library finally released at dangerousbear.com
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- KVRer
- 25 posts since 10 Oct, 2005
I came across this thread no earlier then today. And I really love your IRs, like so many others do. What was the final result of your query? Does someone sell your IRs?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6502 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
well...
...the things are going slowly because i'm based in Burkina Faso (western afrika) until the beginning of april
But the fact is that the head of Dangerous Bear is interested in selling them
i'm supposed also to be contributing in some experimentations for future products (that also includes these IRs many times)
But at the present time, i have to deal with the purpose of my journey in afrika, in where i intend, at least, to work as cooperant with musicians and technicians...but it's afrika and here it's like another planet at many aspects of usual life, so the things are always moving very slowly
John from DBU may answer you better than me if he'll read these posts and find the time to answer because, of course, he has the final word concerning their release
so just, wait and see...
...the things are going slowly because i'm based in Burkina Faso (western afrika) until the beginning of april
But the fact is that the head of Dangerous Bear is interested in selling them
i'm supposed also to be contributing in some experimentations for future products (that also includes these IRs many times)
But at the present time, i have to deal with the purpose of my journey in afrika, in where i intend, at least, to work as cooperant with musicians and technicians...but it's afrika and here it's like another planet at many aspects of usual life, so the things are always moving very slowly
John from DBU may answer you better than me if he'll read these posts and find the time to answer because, of course, he has the final word concerning their release
so just, wait and see...
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- KVRer
- 25 posts since 10 Oct, 2005
Hey Krakatau,
thanks for your fast reply on a thread that old. I wish you all the best for your plans on the journey. I'm sure they will lead to further interesting results- yes, I listened to some of your music.
I'll will mail to Dangerous Bear. They have to know, there are prospective customers. Yesterday I wrote to James Johnson at noisevault.com.
Though- I'm not quite sure if I understood your description of how to make them myself correctly- but I'll give it try when I find the time. FM- synths like my SY77, FS1R even my old FB01 should work fine with their loads of (sinus)- oscillators.
Good luck for you, man.
thanks for your fast reply on a thread that old. I wish you all the best for your plans on the journey. I'm sure they will lead to further interesting results- yes, I listened to some of your music.
I'll will mail to Dangerous Bear. They have to know, there are prospective customers. Yesterday I wrote to James Johnson at noisevault.com.
Though- I'm not quite sure if I understood your description of how to make them myself correctly- but I'll give it try when I find the time. FM- synths like my SY77, FS1R even my old FB01 should work fine with their loads of (sinus)- oscillators.
Good luck for you, man.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6502 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
hi folks
Just as a last bump for this already old thread to let you have a listen to some new and much more elaborate uses inside mixes, mainly on lead vocal's melodic line, but also for some percussion on track two
First, on John Legend's voices from a remix of his song "green light"
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/misc/green_lightC.mp3
Then, a modern african song in where i was involved as sound engineer and designer, and also in some additionnal arrangement (supposed to be released in Burkina Faso in a few month or less...
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/Kong/gnama.mp3
just enjoy...
Just as a last bump for this already old thread to let you have a listen to some new and much more elaborate uses inside mixes, mainly on lead vocal's melodic line, but also for some percussion on track two
First, on John Legend's voices from a remix of his song "green light"
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/misc/green_lightC.mp3
Then, a modern african song in where i was involved as sound engineer and designer, and also in some additionnal arrangement (supposed to be released in Burkina Faso in a few month or less...
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/Kong/gnama.mp3
just enjoy...
Last edited by Krakatau on Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 4329 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
wow man...
get those out somehow!
get those out somehow!
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- KVRAF
- 2859 posts since 21 Feb, 2003 from Woodstock, GA USA
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- KVRAF
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6502 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
Hi folks
FINALLY, IT HAS BEEN RELEASED !
I just want first to thank john Gibson, head of Dangerous Bear Underground to agree in publishing my collection of impulse responses and all the respectful and encouraging words he had to me related to my work in progress
ABOUT THE LIBRARY :
By listening to some downloadable examples of exotic impulses response libraries from different developers I thought that, noticing that they actually are joined together mainly by literary or purely subjective criteria, it should be possible (and by the way, much more appropriate for composers) to create impulse responses that would be, unlike the ones that for now are offered by the market in this particular area ( no disrespect for their creators, they are often very highly interesting stuff!) more precisely related to harmonies and diatonic scales
Already being experienced in how to reproduce as closely as possible the behaviour of sympathetic resonances created by comb filters with IRs created from scratch, the way was marked out to extrapolate what was basically focused on a particular tone, to a particular scale
Let's say that I'm also a big fan of these moods induced by Indian music drones. (you can get some beautiful drone effects with a guitar by using comb filter, I hope you'll forgive me to recommend you for the PC user the dronebox created by Oli Larkin, I sincerely trust that it still is an underestimated and very creative effect, ...and Oli's one is one of the most, IF not the most elaborate)
Consequently, these impulses are dead easy to recreate immediately a similar mood, especially on a solo instrument : Just pick one of them on a desired scale anywhere out of the scale-related folder, load it in a convolution reverb (like SIR) inserted on your track and just begin to play, On the 100% wet side of your balance, it'll give you some deep, sustained, drones and pads bounded to the choosen scale,( the latency induced by SIR shouldnt be to annoying for that purpose)...and now increase the dry signal to hear how it mix with the convoluted one and choose the right balance for your performance.
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But my biggest pride here is that these exotic impulses seems to be the first and the ony ones, as far as I know, that can be successfully and usefully placed inside a send/return loop, mixed with combined dry signals, as (or instead of) a reverb unit.
Of course, you need to be aware of the composition's structure of the songs you're mixing. By experience, I can say it depends on how intensively a type of IR (they are 19 "scale-related" types of them) is bounded to its scale, many of them allow you to play many alterations and as far as I experienced,a single impulse can do the job for an entire composition in many cases.
This considering that most of the modern popular songs are directly inspired by traditionnal music, at least altered only by modal transpositions. Also many world musics in where the adaptation of traditional scales to chromatic steps are at least limited to a vey few similar scales that stays on agreeing modal transpositions.
A good criteria in my opinion would be the maintenance of a resonance that stays agreeing to ONE of the most important steps (1st, 5th, 4th) whatever are the scales varying throughout of your compostion,whatever you do, it will rehearse and keep an overall, pleasant consonance to it.
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As a concrete example of what i'm saying, here a remix of a song from John Legend ("Green Light" with the lead and backgroud voices from the original remix) in where an Impulse is placed on a send return loop and in where different sources are injected into the convolution engine (mainly backing vocals... but also many furtive intervention of different instruments ) filled with an IR that colours the incoming signal in a way it blends with drawbars very well
the following arrangement is mainly based on a modal transposition of D major, the choosen IR is then, based on D major :
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/misc/green_lightC.mp3
Some more tips, including a bunch of musical and didactic examples that you can find into the tutorial I've made for these IRs (...that should be included with your purchase or by default you can download it here) :
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/IR/-Tutorial-.rtf
...and the direct link to the appropriate page :
www.dangerousbear.com/dbsig.html
Have fun, all of you...
Alexandre Borcic (Krakatau)
FINALLY, IT HAS BEEN RELEASED !
I just want first to thank john Gibson, head of Dangerous Bear Underground to agree in publishing my collection of impulse responses and all the respectful and encouraging words he had to me related to my work in progress
ABOUT THE LIBRARY :
By listening to some downloadable examples of exotic impulses response libraries from different developers I thought that, noticing that they actually are joined together mainly by literary or purely subjective criteria, it should be possible (and by the way, much more appropriate for composers) to create impulse responses that would be, unlike the ones that for now are offered by the market in this particular area ( no disrespect for their creators, they are often very highly interesting stuff!) more precisely related to harmonies and diatonic scales
Already being experienced in how to reproduce as closely as possible the behaviour of sympathetic resonances created by comb filters with IRs created from scratch, the way was marked out to extrapolate what was basically focused on a particular tone, to a particular scale
Let's say that I'm also a big fan of these moods induced by Indian music drones. (you can get some beautiful drone effects with a guitar by using comb filter, I hope you'll forgive me to recommend you for the PC user the dronebox created by Oli Larkin, I sincerely trust that it still is an underestimated and very creative effect, ...and Oli's one is one of the most, IF not the most elaborate)
Consequently, these impulses are dead easy to recreate immediately a similar mood, especially on a solo instrument : Just pick one of them on a desired scale anywhere out of the scale-related folder, load it in a convolution reverb (like SIR) inserted on your track and just begin to play, On the 100% wet side of your balance, it'll give you some deep, sustained, drones and pads bounded to the choosen scale,( the latency induced by SIR shouldnt be to annoying for that purpose)...and now increase the dry signal to hear how it mix with the convoluted one and choose the right balance for your performance.
_______________________
But my biggest pride here is that these exotic impulses seems to be the first and the ony ones, as far as I know, that can be successfully and usefully placed inside a send/return loop, mixed with combined dry signals, as (or instead of) a reverb unit.
Of course, you need to be aware of the composition's structure of the songs you're mixing. By experience, I can say it depends on how intensively a type of IR (they are 19 "scale-related" types of them) is bounded to its scale, many of them allow you to play many alterations and as far as I experienced,a single impulse can do the job for an entire composition in many cases.
This considering that most of the modern popular songs are directly inspired by traditionnal music, at least altered only by modal transpositions. Also many world musics in where the adaptation of traditional scales to chromatic steps are at least limited to a vey few similar scales that stays on agreeing modal transpositions.
A good criteria in my opinion would be the maintenance of a resonance that stays agreeing to ONE of the most important steps (1st, 5th, 4th) whatever are the scales varying throughout of your compostion,whatever you do, it will rehearse and keep an overall, pleasant consonance to it.
______________________________
As a concrete example of what i'm saying, here a remix of a song from John Legend ("Green Light" with the lead and backgroud voices from the original remix) in where an Impulse is placed on a send return loop and in where different sources are injected into the convolution engine (mainly backing vocals... but also many furtive intervention of different instruments ) filled with an IR that colours the incoming signal in a way it blends with drawbars very well
the following arrangement is mainly based on a modal transposition of D major, the choosen IR is then, based on D major :
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/misc/green_lightC.mp3
Some more tips, including a bunch of musical and didactic examples that you can find into the tutorial I've made for these IRs (...that should be included with your purchase or by default you can download it here) :
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/IR/-Tutorial-.rtf
...and the direct link to the appropriate page :
www.dangerousbear.com/dbsig.html
Have fun, all of you...
Alexandre Borcic (Krakatau)
Last edited by Krakatau on Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:20 am, edited 18 times in total.
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- KVRAF
- 5666 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
Some very beautiful sounds there ! I particularly love the first two examples you posted, the e-piano and clav IRs plus the harpsichord later on. These IRs create complex, deep and meditative ambiences. Great work !
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- KVRAF
- 5666 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
Gosh, did I enjoy it ? I love this tune ! You have got to PM when this gets released. I want to buy the album.Krakatau wrote:
Then, a modern african song in where i was involved as sound engineer and designer, and also in some additionnal arrangement (supposed to be released in Burkina Faso in a few month or less...
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/Kong/gnama.mp3
just enjoy...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6502 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
I'd love to but after finishing my work of mixing/mastering, i gave the musicians just enough money to by the first 220 copies of K7...and in fact he ket the money to do another production in Ouagadougou, and it's this one he released in his countryhimalaya wrote:Gosh, did I enjoy it ? I love this tune ! You have got to PM when this gets released. I want to buy the album.Krakatau wrote:
Then, a modern african song in where i was involved as sound engineer and designer, and also in some additionnal arrangement (supposed to be released in Burkina Faso in a few month or less...
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/Kong/gnama.mp3
just enjoy...
Not a very fair attitude, but he's successful in his small area (the Bobo-Mandarè speaking area of south-west of Burkina Faso) so somehow i don't blame him to choose something that was more corresponding to the sensivity of his ethnia, but he could told me rather than betray me as well as other friends who sincerely tried to do a labour of love (without beeing payed, you see...)
But you seem to confirm that for a larger target ( at least overall western culture ) he made a mistake
interesting...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6502 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
next step for these actually in consideration
A similar IR library entirely surround based, for a potential cinematic use
Eventually also ethnic scale based, still to be prospected though...
...wait and see
A similar IR library entirely surround based, for a potential cinematic use
Eventually also ethnic scale based, still to be prospected though...
...wait and see
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- KVRAF
- 14738 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
AB Demos on Page 2 are down. Any chance to get them back up?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6502 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
take those from a Dbu page :Compyfox wrote:AB Demos on Page 2 are down. Any chance to get them back up?
www.dangerousbear.com/deepspacesaudio/
not the same though, ...but much more detailed dry/wet/mix examples !
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- KVRAF
- 5666 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
Sorry to hear that.Krakatau wrote:I'd love to but after finishing my work of mixing/mastering, i gave the musicians just enough money to by the first 220 copies of K7...and in fact he ket the money to do another production in Ouagadougou, and it's this one he released in his countryhimalaya wrote:Gosh, did I enjoy it ? I love this tune ! You have got to PM when this gets released. I want to buy the album.Krakatau wrote:
Then, a modern african song in where i was involved as sound engineer and designer, and also in some additionnal arrangement (supposed to be released in Burkina Faso in a few month or less...
www.anak-krakatoa.net/~downl/Kong/gnama.mp3
just enjoy...
Not a very fair attitude, but he's successful in his small area (the Bobo-Mandarè speaking area of south-west of Burkina Faso) so somehow i don't blame him to choose something that was more corresponding to the sensivity of his ethnia, but he could told me rather than betray me as well as other friends who sincerely tried to do a labour of love (without beeing payed, you see...)
But you seem to confirm that for a larger target ( at least overall western culture ) he made a mistake
interesting...
I know all about "labour of love" and "not getting paid". My actual education is in sound engineering and I have done my share of work that didn't pay. Anyway, this type of ethnic crossover music is popular in the west (at least in my CD collection lol) Your friends could do well by makeing it available online as a download perhaps ? Get PayPal and that could bring them extra funds ( and pay you in return )I'm looking forward to hear more IRs.