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geroyannis · Post by **geroyannis** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:37 am

Tonight I fooled around with TAL-Chorus-60 a little and it reminded me a lot of the UAD Dimension D plugin. When I had tried the DimD demo I remember liking it's very subtle widening effect without really sounding like a chorus. I think that you can get a very similar sound with the TAL-Chorus-60 plugin setting the knobs more or less at 12 o'clock.

What do you guys think of these two plugs and how do they compare?

shanecgriffo · Post by **shanecgriffo** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:13 am

havent tried the uad version but i like tal chorus.. not a real shimmery chorus but very nice in its own way

adl · Post by **adl** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:03 am

Yup, thought the very same: TAL Chorus is very similar to Dimension D. I use both and look which one fits better.

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:25 am

They are both great but Tal Chorus is a lot less subtle and more of a direct chorus. Dimension D gives stereo dimension with not much actual chorus sound...thats the point of the unit I think....

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:41 am

its the closest i have heard!

not quite there, but the closest i have heard!

in fact its my Fav Chorus out in vst land (& its free

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geroyannis · Post by **geroyannis** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:19 am

djsubject wrote:its the closest i have heard!

not quite there, but the closest i have heard!

I was thinking of spending some voucher money on the Dimension D but I accidentaly stumbled upon TAL-Chorus and thought that maybe I could use that and save my UAD money for something else. What I'm mainly interested in is widening my voice tracks without them sounding chorused or altered at all, just widened.
I will do further tests on voice tracks this evening in the studio with TAL-Chorus and I hope it will do the task.

Does anybody know if the original Juno chorus had anything to do with the original Dimension D?

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:23 am

No, it had nothing to do with it. Also, TAL's is a very in-your-face chorus, the UAD Dimension D is better but I think it's much too obvious as well. The only good Dimension D emulation is in Roland's SDX-330.

geroyannis · Post by **geroyannis** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:55 am

Really? You find the UAD Dimension D too obvious? Interesting.
I remember (especially on the 1st preset) not hearing any chorus artifacts at all. The widening was obvious indeed, but that's what I liked about it anyway. And you can always put it on a send and mix according to your need.

I don't know about the SDX-330 but to be honest I'm so spoiled from the convenience of software that I would hate to use hardware effects.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:17 pm

If the DimD (or any other chorus) is too obvious for a track try using it on a send so you can blend it in.
Bending the rules a bit doesn't hurt sometimes.
For vocal widening I wouldn't use a chorus personally, even small amounts stick out like a sore thumb imho, the DimD on a send still being better than the rest.
Try some M/S plugins, they might get you there better.
A favourite trick of mine : set up two identical instances of epicVerb as send FX, #1 set to Mid and #2 set to Side, send the lead vocals (mainly) to #1 and the bgvoc (mainly) to #2, mix to taste.
Of course for the verse (no bgvoc) you'll want to mix in more #2 Side reverb for the lead vocal.
Similar options with other M/S plugins.
And finally, the Juno Chorus was closer related to the CE-1 or the JC amps, afaik Roland themselves never called the DimD a chorus.
Ymmv,
susiwong

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:31 pm

Right, and they called the SDX-330 "Dimensional Expander"

. But SDD-320, like SDX-330, is basically chorus.
As for M/S processing, it doesn't do anything to create space, so it won't get you anywhere in that regard. Just to change volume or position of already existing content.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:02 pm

Shy wrote:Right, and they called the SDX-330 "Dimensional Expander" . But SDD-320, like SDX-330, is basically chorus.
As for M/S processing, it doesn't do anything to create space, so it won't get you anywhere in that regard. Just to change volume or position of already existing content.

True for a single signal, agreed.
In the case of my example however you're dealing with several tracks plus reverb(s) and the results can be spectacular.
For a single vocal line you have to rely on (real) doubling or FX which are likely to be obvious to some extent.
Fine if that's what you're going for.
Ymmv,
susiwong

geroyannis · Post by **geroyannis** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:26 pm

So, I tried TAL-Chorus as a send on many projects and while I liked it a lot on guitars and basses it wasn't that impressive on vocals. It did the trick of transparent widening on a few tracks but on most of them it really sounded like a chorus. Which is perfectly natural for a chorus I guess (duh...) but I want the transparent sound of Dimension D for my vocals. I guess I will have to get it after all.

Unless you guys have something else to suggest.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:35 pm

By all means, get it.
While personally I'm still not convinced of using modulation FX on vocals, the DimD is a studio standard due to its unique qualities, you'll find many other uses for it over time. Worth every cent imho.
Cheers,
susiwong

Liquidclear · Post by **Liquidclear** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:46 pm

There's a very usable ADT simulator at the link below that you might find useful in place of a chorus on vocals.

http://www.vacuumsound.de/plugins.html

ozmoz2008 · Post by **ozmoz2008** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:48 pm

geroyannis wrote:So, I tried TAL-Chorus as a send on many projects and while I liked it a lot on guitars and basses it wasn't that impressive on vocals. It did the trick of transparent widening on a few tracks but on most of them it really sounded like a chorus. Which is perfectly natural for a chorus I guess (duh...) but I want the transparent sound of Dimension D for my vocals. I guess I will have to get it after all.

Unless you guys have something else to suggest.

Not necessarely for Chorus only, but Uhbik plugs are amazing on Vocals...just did some really neet stuff yesterday with...I am totally amazed by it's originality in sounds...stuff to be discovered there!

I also prefer a lot "real" doubling over fake or machine one...more interesting stuff happen...and the harmonics are also nicer...when you take the time to get all the right tracks

TAL-Chorus-60 vs. UAD Dimension D