Atomic mystery

[glokraw]

At first it was just pleasantly strange, then I thought I was hearing things, then
I just had to laugh, anyway try it yourself if you like, won't take but a few minutes,
and tell me what you hear

(won't work using the demo, just in case someone forgot to buy Atomic this week!)

Start up one of two Atomics, and select the Default-Seq, the last preset in the selector. Set the play mode direction to <> . Mute every other semitone, and set the active ones thus:
1 -12
3 +12
5 +24
7 00
9 +12
11 -12
13 00
15 +12
Load a second Atomic, with the GreenParadise preset (31), set the play mode direction to > and change the semitones thusly:
1 -24
2 +12
3 00
4 +24
5 -12
6 +12
7 00
8 +24
9 -24
10 00
11 +12
12 -12
13 00
14 -24
15 -12
16 +12
Turn off the volume on the Default-seq Atomic, activate its midi-out, and route it in your host
to play the modified GreenParadise Atomic.
Play at octave 5, (on 88 note keyboard) a simple 3 finger c major chord, alternating with the 3 fingered d minor chord right next to it, hold each chord for a full 4 beat measure, and repeat the 2 chords 50 or 60 times, and maybe you'll hear what I hear?

You can also play the chords with a 3finger strum, instead of hitting the keys simultaneously, and repeat the experiment, and back-strum too, why not...
Cheers

[antoine.bertier]

What should be the relative speed of the two Atomic sequencer to hear what you hear ?

[glokraw]

What should be the relative speed of the two Atomic sequencer to hear what you hear ?

Hi, I didn't change the tempo, so both at 120 bpm
Cheers

[antoine.bertier]

What should be the relative speed of the two Atomic sequencer to hear what you hear ?

Hi, I didn't change the tempo, so both at 120 bpm
Cheers

But if they are both at 120bmp the GreenParadise always plays step 1 only, right ? or am I missing something in the wiring ?

[glokraw]

What should be the relative speed of the two Atomic sequencer to hear what you hear ?

Hi, I didn't change the tempo, so both at 120 bpm
Cheers

But if they are both at 120bmp the GreenParadise always plays step 1 only, right ? or am I missing something in the wiring ?

Hi, the matching tempo just means the 2 tracks are both walking the same speed. The Atomic in track 2 has all 16 beats going, and is doing all the talking, but the Atomic in track one, though silent, nudges the other one when its time to speak, by using the midi-out port. Creating a send-receive relationship between the two tracks in your vst host allows this to occur. Setting it up varies between hosts, but 4 or 5
hosts have how-to tips in this forum. Spoiler alert: what I'm hearing, while not dramatic, happens while the two 'three finger chords' are played over time, its a counterpoint of notes in the background that is always progressing up several octaves, and back down again, repeating as long as you keep playing the chords. It's not something I would ever dream up, or be able to dream up, but perhaps the author has programmed it, in the less obvious settings controlled with the inner dials of the Green Paradise preset.
Cheers

[antoine.bertier]

Hi, the matching tempo just means the 2 tracks are both walking the same speed. The Atomic in track 2 has all 16 beats going, and is doing all the talking, but the Atomic in track one, though silent, nudges the other one when its time to speak, by using the midi-out port.

Right, so let's call AtomicMidi the Atomic in Track 1, and AtomicSynth the Atomic in Track 2. When AtomicMidi sends a midi note to AtomicSynth (to "nudge" it), it also restarts the sequence of AtomicSynth to step 1. Since AtomicMidi emits a midi note every two steps, it means that AtomicSynth can play at most two steps before restarting to step 1.

At least this is what happens in my setting with energyXT2 after following the setup of your first message. I am not at home so I can't test whether I hear or not the counterpoint you mention, but if you are seeing AtomicSynth go through all 16 steps I am definitely missing something in the setup.

I guess the best is that I post somewhere the results of my Glokraw experiments so that we can compare. (I did experiment last year with cascading Atomics at different tempo here: http://www.wusiklabel.com/members/82/song_focus_154.php)

[glokraw]

Hi, I think I have it now, I loaded the new beta of ext25
(its been awhile, so many cobwebs were present, a good refresher!)
I made a triangle,


...........................ext midi-in at the top point,



Atomic GreenParadise bottom left, Modified default-Seq bottom right

I connect ext midi-in to both of these, then I connect midi between the two Atomics.
Next, I connect the audio between the Default-Seq Atomic and the ext Audio out,
and in the default-Seq Atomic gui, turn its volume off, and its midi-out port on.
So the ext Audio connection only hears GreenParadise, which takes its nudgings
from the Default-Seq midi-out port. Sounds identicle to my Reaper equivalent.

I listened to your cascading sounds, I think Atomic would be handy
in that way to add music/sounds for film, since events in movies don't stick
to a 4/4 beat! Cheers

[antoine.bertier]

OK I miss the picture but I got my mistake: I did not connect the ext-midi in to the AtomicSynth so it was only triggered by the AtomicMidi and not by the chord on the keyboard.

Now there is something weird why is it that when I play a single note the AtomicSynth plays the first 6 steps and then goes back to step 1 and does not leave it, while when I play a 2 or 3 notes chord, AtomicSynth loops over all the steps ??? Is it a bug in XT2 ? do you have this behavior in Reaper ?

[glokraw]

OK I miss the picture but I got my mistake: I did not connect the ext-midi in to the AtomicSynth so it was only triggered by the AtomicMidi and not by the chord on the keyboard.

Now there is something weird why is it that when I play a single note the AtomicSynth plays the first 6 steps and then goes back to step 1 and does not leave it, while when I play a 2 or 3 notes chord, AtomicSynth loops over all the steps ??? Is it a bug in XT2 ? do you have this behavior in Reaper ?

I checked, and this happens in Reaper too, but only when the midi-out port
is lit up! Didn't notice before. So there may be a mouse hiding in the truffles
But you made me curious, and in exploring other things, I stumbled on a fun
dance-trance combo, using the modified GreenParadise above for the beat, take some
solina-strings, or other similar high-pitch pad, and shorten the attack, decay, and sustain, but leave some release, reverb, and delay fx, and play some easy chords
on the upper end of the keys. I used the Enceladus 'PAD Sea of Glass', in case you
have it. Second time I tripped on one of these. Hope I get on a roll, or learn things

[tconrardy]

I finally tried this..a very cool effect indeed! Actually, Len Sasso ( from EM) talked about using one Atomic to control another Atomic for some interesting results.
This technique almost sounds like the algorithmic program called M ( Cycling 74, but Atari version is free and can run on PC via Steem..see sig)Now i wonder what M would sound like playing Atomic!!

Thanks for all the great discussion here.

Tim

[glokraw]

I finally tried this..a very cool effect indeed! Actually, Len Sasso ( from EM) talked about using one Atomic to control another Atomic for some interesting results.
This technique almost sounds like the algorithmic program called M ( Cycling 74, but Atari version is free and can run on PC via Steem..see sig)Now i wonder what M would sound like playing Atomic!!

Thanks for all the great discussion here.

Tim

That darned EM magazine probably contributed to the delinquancy of many oldsters that hang out here. Those Atari and Amiga emulators get faster every year,
10000mghz vs 14
I still have some Dr. T disks stashed away somewhere .

Theres an excellent sounding accoustic guitar in the free UVI Workstation, and Atomic is totally flamenco ready, in case someone is working on a Gipsy Kings
style of track!
Cheers