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nait · Post by **nait** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:33 pm

hello!
I'm trying to do piano chords which are charakteristic for house music, but I can't do it. Anyone could help me? I would like to get answer where are every notes in one chord. Here you have some examples

Thanks for answer

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:39 pm

Usually minor 7th's. Play a minor chord and add the diminished 7th note so that you have 4 notes in total. i.e. C, Eb, G, Bb.

dirty oscillators · Post by **dirty oscillators** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:40 pm

Listen to Mr. Hayes...

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:10 am

oops. 'diminished 7' from C = Bbb, aka 'A'.

chj · Post by **chj** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:17 am

I believe for a minor 7th chord, robojam's notes are correct.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:34 am

You believe wrong, if you believe a diminished seventh equals a minor seventh or is found in the construction conventionally known as a 'minor 7th chord'.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION. For free:

C Eb Gb Bbb, a diminished triad with a diminished seventh, is known as a diminished seventh chord.
that minor triad, C Eb G, typically isn't extended with a diminished seventh.
Bbb = A for our purposes here.
that triadic construction would be SPELLED: A C Eb G.
known as a 'half-diminished' 7th chord, or to some jazzers, minor 7th flat 5. (Am7 b5, in a lead sheet.)

C to B, a MAJOR 7th.
C to Bb, a MINOR 7th.
C to B double flat, "Bbb", a DIMINISHED 7th.

Optomadic · Post by **Optomadic** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:38 am

The David Morales song is an old disco sample.

Optomadic wrote:Is this what you mean?

Chord progression

MIDI file

Or am I way off? I think I remember hating that style of house although I was really really young and dumb ..

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:53 pm

jancivil wrote:You believe wrong, if you believe a diminished seventh equals a minor seventh or is found in the construction conventionally known as a 'minor 7th chord'.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION. For free:

C Eb Gb Bbb, a diminished triad with a diminished seventh, is known as a diminished seventh chord.
that minor triad, C Eb G, typically isn't extended with a diminished seventh.
Bbb = A for our purposes here.
that triadic construction would be SPELLED: A C Eb G.
known as a 'half-diminished' 7th chord, or to some jazzers, minor 7th flat 5. (Am7 b5, in a lead sheet.)

C to B, a MAJOR 7th.
C to Bb, a MINOR 7th.
C to B double flat, "Bbb", a DIMINISHED 7th.

Who rattled your cage? Damn that's some attitude you've got towards the guy and it's not like he ripped your head off with an argument or anything!

When I said diminished 7th, I meant one note lower than the 7th note in the major scale, so not B but Bb and my notes are correct for a minor 7th chord.

Ogg Vorbis · Post by **Ogg Vorbis** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:12 pm

robojam wrote: When I said diminished 7th, I meant one note lower than the 7th note in the major scale, so not B but Bb and my notes are correct for a minor 7th chord.

That's a minor seventh.

In key of F:

F to E = major seventh
F to Eb = minor seventh
F to Ebb = diminished seventh

She's right. A bit impatient maybe, but correct.

gambaytheunspoken · Post by **gambaytheunspoken** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:29 pm

Try this bread and butter progression. Cm9, Fm9, Bbm9. But play the 9th notes with your left hand to get that deep house vamp/groove going. Trust me, you won't be disappointed. But then again, maybe you will be, because it's really overused. By the way, there's a book called "Music Theory for Computer Musicians," that you want to have a look at. It actually discusses house music and chord progressions, but it's a lot deeper than that.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:32 pm

Ogg Vorbis wrote:
robojam wrote: When I said diminished 7th, I meant one note lower than the 7th note in the major scale, so not B but Bb and my notes are correct for a minor 7th chord.
That's a minor seventh.

Which is the chord that I gave the notes for - probably my theory isn't good and I made an error in calling the 7th note diminished - I thought that a diminished 7th had a note one lower than the 7th in the major scale but I guess not.

At least your post was informative AND polite.

Ogg Vorbis · Post by **Ogg Vorbis** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:23 pm

robojam wrote: Which is the chord that I gave the notes for - probably my theory isn't good and I made an error in calling the 7th note diminished - I thought that a diminished 7th had a note one lower than the 7th in the major scale but I guess not.

It's confusing because a minor seventh interval is different from a minor seventh chord. Although a minor seventh chord has a minor seventh in there. However the reverse isn't true. A minor seventh can't have a minor seventh chord because a minor seventh interval doesn't have a minor third in it the way a minor seventh chord does, otherwise it would be a minor seventh chord rather than a minor seventh, per se. On the other hand, a minor seventh chord also has a perfect fifth. But perfect sevenths don't exist, nor do perfect chords. Even so, you can have perfectly good seventh chords which have perfect consonances such as a fourth or a fifth, but they might sneak a seventh in there and ruin everything.

dirty oscillators · Post by **dirty oscillators** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:42 pm

jancivil wrote:You believe wrong, if you believe a diminished seventh equals a minor seventh or is found in the construction conventionally known as a 'minor 7th chord'.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION. For free:

C Eb Gb Bbb, a diminished triad with a diminished seventh, is known as a diminished seventh chord.
that minor triad, C Eb G, typically isn't extended with a diminished seventh.
Bbb = A for our purposes here.
that triadic construction would be SPELLED: A C Eb G.
known as a 'half-diminished' 7th chord, or to some jazzers, minor 7th flat 5. (Am7 b5, in a lead sheet.)

C to B, a MAJOR 7th.
C to Bb, a MINOR 7th.
C to B double flat, "Bbb", a DIMINISHED 7th.

dirty oscillators · Post by **dirty oscillators** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:47 pm

diminished triad with a diminished seventh bla bla bla bla......

NONE of the House producers were well versed in Music Theory. Do you really think Larry Heard sat down and thought about diminished triads and or 'half diminished' 7th chords or whatever?? give me a break...

dirty oscillators · Post by **dirty oscillators** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:49 pm

nait wrote:hello!
I'm trying to do piano chords which are charakteristic for house music, but I can't do it. Anyone could help me? I would like to get answer where are every notes in one chord. Here you have some examples

Thanks for answer

Again - listen to Isaac Hayes I can't Turn Around. There you go. End of thread.

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