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Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:20 pm

Ogg Vorbis wrote:
I suppose that you're right about this forum having a lot of songwriting and theory threads in it, but I was kind of hoping for a place for people to learn about non-theory issues when it comes to creating music.

Well, if you break it down, the non-music theory aspects of creating music are mainly sound design and production, and those are already covered by KVR's Sound Design and Production Techniques forums. So if you're talking about composition/arrangement, they would fall under music theory, whether people who create music understands or thinks in music theory terms or not, they are still part of music theory.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:34 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: As far as the mods to ask goes, no idea. Have you tried to get ahold of bluedad?

Cheers
Sascha

well, it's beyond the power of mere mods to create another forum. The one to petition would be Ben. I think it's a marvelous idea, and if kvr can have an 'off-topic' AND 'hpc' forum, then why not a forum for composition/arranging!?

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:58 pm

@bluedad: Seconded.

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:00 pm

could we have a forum , about zombies ?...
it could be the de-composing forum ...

ozmoz2008 · Post by **ozmoz2008** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:04 pm

Lunatique wrote:...--guys that feel we should embrace all knowledge and ideas and styles in order to be truly well-rounded, and that our musical journey would be that much more fulfilling if we opened ourselves up to everything...

I agree on this point totally, I feel that more open we are better we become and more unique we also become...and I also feel this is a lifetime journey!

But I'm not sure a dedicated forum will have any impact on this aspect though...On the other hand I will be more than willing on sharing what I've learn in any post or thread I feel worth my .02 cents...

So, why not a Forum on composition? (Just the word composition as a title though)

As for the two other mentioned forums...it's already hard for me to take the time to contribute in a good way to one...I have problem with the fact I would have 3 or 4 to follow...I tend to focus on what I do in the studio on a day to day basis...

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:22 pm

If we're to seriously consider adding forums, we should structure it right. Do we simply rename the music theory forum to composition/arrangement? Do we add a composition/arrangement forum on top of the music theory forum (which to me feels redundant)? What about aspects of music theory that isn't technically part of composition/arrangement such as music theory for instrument players wanting to master their instruments for improvisation and performance? In that case, then I suppose we should add the composition/arrangment forum on top of the music theory forum, so we can still keep a music theory forum--but that feels confusing somehow.

Kraku · Post by **Kraku** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:30 pm

Rename the Music Theory forum as "Composition / Arrangement / Music Theory".

Problem solved.

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:36 pm

Kraku wrote:Rename the Music Theory forum as "Composition / Arrangement / Music Theory".

Problem solved.

Medal for the win! Excellent.

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:46 pm

Lunatique wrote: Well, if you break it down, the non-music theory aspects of creating music are mainly sound design and production, and those are already covered by KVR's Sound Design and Production Techniques forums.

Of course there is the "inspiration" part, but I have no idea how one would have a sensible discussion about that.

My feeling is that the theory forum covers most aspects of composing already. We're all practicing musicians, rather than academics (ok, I'm an academic but not where music is concerned) to our approach to theory is practically slanted to begin with.

Renaming the theory forum would suit me fine.

Victor.

ozmoz2008 · Post by **ozmoz2008** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:51 am

VicDiesel wrote:
Lunatique wrote: Well, if you break it down, the non-music theory aspects of creating music are mainly sound design and production, and those are already covered by KVR's Sound Design and Production Techniques forums.
Of course there is the "inspiration" part, but I have no idea how one would have a sensible discussion about that.

My feeling is that the theory forum covers most aspects of composing already. We're all practicing musicians, rather than academics (ok, I'm an academic but not where music is concerned) to our approach to theory is practically slanted to begin with.

Renaming the theory forum would suit me fine.

Victor.

Not for me...I think that theory is one thing...and the day to day "how to make this and that" or "I have a blank"...doesn't fit in a theory forum...but obviously fits in a composition forum. There are 2 things really...the "theory" and the "practice"...or field experience if you like

In such a forum some composition tips, but also workflows...business experience and tips, making specific parts...etc etc

I personnaly think that a lot more people will be interested in the second aspect, but both have their place....and it will be less confusing if it is in a different forum...IMO

my .o2 cents

JohnDX · Post by **JohnDX** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:58 am

ozmoz2008 wrote: In such a forum some composition tips, but also workflows...business experience and tips, making specific parts...etc etc

Another thing is discussing the songwriting process (e.g. someone describing how they create a song, from start to finish) and perhaps even broader what creativity really is, etc. These things are not exactly music theory, but they are composition.

Or, if you would define music theory so broadly as to include even these things, then it would still true that composition is a large and important area within music theory, deserving its own subforum. Having its own subforum would encourage people to talk more about composition, I think. And that's a good thing. Composing songs is kind of the purpose of everything we do musically, when we learn new gear or train our ears or whatever.

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:16 am

Maybe we can have two forums covering all of these topics:

Composition / Arrangement / Music Theory

Inspiration / Workflow

And since we already have sound design and production, we would have the entire range of topics covered. Well, maybe not instruments/performance.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:57 pm

Let's not f**k around with the name too much eh? It's a forum name not an essay. It's not as if there are legions of budding composers not using it because they're confused about the name is it?

"Oh yeah I was going to ask about the Sonata form but kvr doesn't have the precise forum for it". Hardly.

And if it is created keep it short so the thing fits into the left hand column on the latest topics page...

Music Theory is good.

Hardware is good.

Hardware
(Instrume... is crap.

ozmoz2008 · Post by **ozmoz2008** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:11 pm

nuffink wrote:Let's not f**k around with the name too much eh? It's a forum name not an essay. It's not as if there are legions of budding composers not using it because they're confused about the name is it?

"Oh yeah I was going to ask about the Sonata form but kvr doesn't have the precise forum for it". Hardly.

And if it is created keep it short so the thing fits into the left hand column on the latest topics page...

Music Theory is good.

Hardware is good.

Hardware
(Instrume... is crap.

Agree that it should be short and simple as I said in my first post.

So...Keep the "Music Theory" one and add the new "Composition" one

Pretty simple...for me theory is different than practice...but complimentary at the same time

....and "Composition" IS practice

That's not confusing in any ways I think.

Because right now the "composition" subjects are all over the place in many different forums...cause people don't really know where to put them...and that was the initial point of the OP.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:15 pm

I've no feelings either way on the creation of a new forum. If Ben fancies the extra work it's fine.
But it's a bit disingenuous to say that "the composition subjects are all over the place in many different forums". Where?

Composing Forum