Why are some reverbs "effects" and some "other"
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- KVRAF
- 37508 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I'd like all my reverb plugins in one place but for some reason Cantabile classifies half of them (e.g. Wizzooverb) under effects and the rest (e.g. Virsyn Reflect and Aries verb) under "other"
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- KVRian
- 791 posts since 8 Mar, 2006 from Australia
Hi aMUSEd,aMUSEd wrote:I'd like all my reverb plugins in one place but for some reason Cantabile classifies half of them (e.g. Wizzooverb) under effects and the rest (e.g. Virsyn Reflect and Aries verb) under "other"
Basically it's because of the way the plugin's classify themselves. Cantabile asks plugin "what sort of plugin are you" and some return "effect" and some return "other".
That said, it annoys me too that sometimes a plugin just isn't where you expect it. Leave it with me, see if I can come up with something.
Brad
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 37508 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Why not just allow the user to tell it where to put them?
Actually if I could customise the load menu I could add plugin "hosts" as a category" as well.
Actually if I could customise the load menu I could add plugin "hosts" as a category" as well.
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- KVRist
- 278 posts since 18 Dec, 2007 from Germany
Good point.
Personally, I like the management in Cantabile 1.2 more
because I can go through the submenus without clicking.
But I guess that doesn't matter anymore
Anyway, it's a shame that some plugin developers seem to not care enough
for those matters. It reminds me of mp3s without proper id3 tags.
Glad to hear this gets some treatment.
Greetings,
D.
Personally, I like the management in Cantabile 1.2 more
because I can go through the submenus without clicking.
But I guess that doesn't matter anymore
Anyway, it's a shame that some plugin developers seem to not care enough
for those matters. It reminds me of mp3s without proper id3 tags.
Glad to hear this gets some treatment.
Greetings,
D.
"There's a certain detail seen here."
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- KVRian
- 791 posts since 8 Mar, 2006 from Australia
So I've added a new option (build 2023) that causes all plugins except synths to appear in the Effects group. It's a bit of a hack but it does the job.
The easiest was to do host independant organisation of plugins is with file system folders - and I think people do this alot and is why Cantabile's plugin selector has the "Group by Folder" option.
Anyway, I'm open to suggestions on all of this, but things are pretty locked down for 2.0 now.
Cantabile 1.2 had this (the plugin organiser) and I'm pretty sure hardly anybody used it. I think people like to see their plugins arranged the same way in all hosts so per-host categorisation is not particularly useful.Why not just allow the user to tell it where to put them?
Actually if I could customise the load menu I could add plugin "hosts" as a category" as well.
The easiest was to do host independant organisation of plugins is with file system folders - and I think people do this alot and is why Cantabile's plugin selector has the "Group by Folder" option.
That's an interesting point of view which I've not heard before. The plugin selector has been a difficult thing. In 1.2 the size of the menus became unbearable once you had a lot of plugins (no scrollbar/mouse wheel) and deep hierarchies of folders just becomes this horrible mass of popups that expand all over the desktop. I'm not sure how I could make the current plugin selector "click free" but it's something I'll bear in mind....because I can go through the submenus without clicking.
Anyway, I'm open to suggestions on all of this, but things are pretty locked down for 2.0 now.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 37508 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Brad, no one used it because it was a bugger to get workingbradr wrote:So I've added a new option (build 2023) that causes all plugins except synths to appear in the Effects group. It's a bit of a hack but it does the job.
Cantabile 1.2 had this (the plugin organiser) and I'm pretty sure hardly anybody used it. I think people like to see their plugins arranged the same way in all hosts so per-host categorisation is not particularly useful.Why not just allow the user to tell it where to put them?
Actually if I could customise the load menu I could add plugin "hosts" as a category" as well.
If it was more usable in the first place I certainly would have used it and was hoping it would get revised for v2.Anyway as I keep telling devs - the best and easiest way to customise plugin folders though is to allow your host to read the shortcut to a dll as well as the actual dll. Ableton live does this (so do Orion and Temper) and it's really useful as it means you can just point it to a folder made up of subfolders organised however you want full of shortcuts to VST dll's instead of the actual VST folder and you are no longer constrained organisationally by VST's that don't like to be moved due to dependencies on graphics etc, plus scan time is faster and it's a really easy way to troubleshoot or exclude a problematic VST.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 37508 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Even with the new option ticked some plugins (e.g. Virsyn Reflect, some DelayDots stuff, Absynth fx and several others) are getting added to "Other". Is there no way to manually choose which plugins go where? (I'd like to have a subhosts category instead of Other for a start)
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- KVRian
- 791 posts since 8 Mar, 2006 from Australia
Hi aMUSEd... are you sure they're not getting added to Effects as well. The new option doesn't remove them from Other, it just forces them into effects as well.aMUSEd wrote:Even with the new option ticked some plugins (e.g. Virsyn Reflect, some DelayDots stuff, Absynth fx and several others) are getting added to "Other". Is there no way to manually choose which plugins go where? (I'd like to have a subhosts category instead of Other for a start)
There's no way to create new Categories on the left, but you can create file system folders. I agree on the .lnk short-cut thing... I just haven't done it yet.
Brad