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insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:13 am

runagate wrote:Oddly setting the midi channel to "--" in Usine has no discernable effect in Usine on any of my midi gear. Would setting everything to -- block all midi signals? It doesn't appear to be the case for me.

whoops. it's broken. i wonder when that happened?

here is a working version: http://thepiz.org/xt/midiChs_noGUI.zip

if you "clear" it (set all channels to --) it will block any midi message that has a channel (notes, CCs, program change, etc). it won't do anything about midi clock or other weird stuff.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:05 pm

Thank you, sir. Not being a newbie I immediately went and DLed all the most recent pizpluggies. You've been busy while I was gone.

BTW I have a touchscreen again (12" ELO lmao) and can't quite use your midipads to play percussion - the latency is a bit drastic for that. But it's ridiculously useful nonetheless.

I got my midi > VSTi > sound out latency to be imperceptible last night so I'm about as happy as a hillbilly at a barn dance. QChord, soon you will obey!

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:38 am

i really need to make an actual useful website for my midi plugins. there are too many now, and it's too hard to figure out what they do. and then there are things like my version of Middy Morphy, which is kind of hard to find.

anyway, i'm still interested in helping with the midi filtering of the qchord... i think i could figure it out fairly easily if i had an accurate midi recording of it.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:43 pm

I'll try to get that to you.

I'll attempt to make some sort of "Piz Quickstart" and test the features. There's so many spread across so many plug-ins, but really only I have the attention span for that kind of crap. I don't know why I do, but I do.

MidiChs_noGUI did indeed work for me. I'll post a Usine VST free version template once I get it working a little better. You can imagine what with all the repurposing of gear with custom drivers and tons of midi messages across all this hardware and other configuration craziness it's taking a while to isolate any given conflict. But I really did use your plug-in to strum the chords I was pressing and have them, in realtime, pop out of the VSTi inside Usine. I was pretty freakin' happy with that. The "strumplate" is a tempermental and imprecise thing so my technique is still developing, and I'm spreading my attention across far too many different things in my evil music lab but I'm still commited to having a simple plug-n-play type solution to using this bizarre thing as a live performance and easy chord composing instrument that other people can just download and go with.

piz, have I ever told you you rock?

BTW Alias 2 is by far the most fun thing to play via EWI of the couple dozen plug-ins I've tried out so far. I gotta get it configured properly for "breath control" and "breath-based aftertouch" but aside from the fact that pitch is totally unpredictable so one has to practice playing each particular patch to see wtf is going to happen for each note fingering, it's just a pure delight. Crazy as hell! Especially with the way it reacts to pitch bend, and the EWI has 2 ways of bending pitch, plus 2 assignable CC#s that get expressed as well to route to VST parameters. Can't wait to get my expression pedal into the mix with that bastard. Worth the price of the EWI all by itself!

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:52 pm

Related to this, anyone know if there's a MIDI monitor plugin (rather than standalone like MIDIOX) that can export to text file?

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:54 pm

Try Jaltoh's Thalamus from here:

http://geocities.com/asenov_z/zerovjane.html

it can do all sorts of midi filtering - far more extensive than any other midi filter I've seen - as well as lots of other midi stuff.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:22 pm

How'd I forget this, aMUSED? Thanks!

Somehow this never made it onto my most recent XP install... from 3 years ago!

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:50 pm

shamann wrote:Related to this, anyone know if there's a MIDI monitor plugin (rather than standalone like MIDIOX) that can export to text file?

hmmm, i should add that to mine. you can sort of do it now, by selecting the text and pasting it into a text file.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:15 pm

insertpizhere wrote:
shamann wrote:Related to this, anyone know if there's a MIDI monitor plugin (rather than standalone like MIDIOX) that can export to text file?
hmmm, i should add that to mine. you can sort of do it now, by selecting the text and pasting it into a text file.

Lol, oddly that didn't occur to me, to try to select the text
I will do that
This is why being offline makes all this crap take too long!

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:23 am

runagate wrote:BTW Alias 2 is by far the most fun thing to play via EWI of the couple dozen plug-ins I've tried out so far. I gotta get it configured properly for "breath control" and "breath-based aftertouch" but aside from the fact that pitch is totally unpredictable so one has to practice playing each particular patch to see wtf is going to happen for each note fingering, it's just a pure delight. Crazy as hell! Especially with the way it reacts to pitch bend, and the EWI has 2 ways of bending pitch, plus 2 assignable CC#s that get expressed as well to route to VST parameters. Can't wait to get my expression pedal into the mix with that bastard. Worth the price of the EWI all by itself!

sounds great. i'd love to hear some of it.

i'll also check out the usine template when it's ready... it's always cool to see my plugins in use.

Lol, oddly that didn't occur to me, to try to select the text
I will do that
This is why being offline makes all this crap take too long!

i'm sure you figured it out, but right-click for "select all" and "copy"...

or use the new version with a "save" button that i just uploaded: http://thepiz.org/xt/midiMonitor.zip

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:35 am

http://www.box.net/shared/2s54x0n4f8

http://www.box.net/shared/qlaavd8l78

the first is a pizMidiMonitor file of QChord midi prior to the Chs, the second is the exact same, except after the Chs filter.

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:41 am

ok, the pitch wheel data is completely insane, but i think i might understand what it's trying (and failing) to do...

i guess with the chs filter you're routing 14, 15, and 16 to channel 1, and ignoring other channels?

i noticed in the unfiltered file that there is also pitch wheel on channel 1. could that be the "real" pitch wheel? if so, you could try keeping only the notes from 14, 15, and 16, and keeping only the pitch wheel from channel 1, and routing all of that to a single midi stream on channel 1.

that's my first impression, anyway.

edit: second impression... i guess i was wrong, you're blocking 9 and 10 and routing everything else to 1. and the notes on channels 14, 15, and 16 are all Cs, so maybe try blocking those three channels altogether.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:09 am

I didn't notice the "detented at 64" pitchwheel being on channel 1.
How odd. That's not even documented. I hit the physical pitch wheel every once in a while.

I did indeed route 14, 15 & 16 to 1.

I'm having trouble parsing it all to understand whether the data on 14, 15 and 16 are really what the strum plate is sending. I played all sorts of chors, but various VSTi receiving the data sometimes simply stop switching pitch.

The intended behavior of the PB due to chord changes is correctly switching the pitch of sustaining notes when a new chord button is pressed when sent to a General Midi soundbank.

And I guess it works that way.

Unfortunately, when I strip the PB info out it seems that the result is that sustaining notes do not receive a note off message, and just hang on the previously sustaining note.

Which is infuriating. It took me a while to think this all through. I really can't believe how whacko this thing implements midi. As though someone is actually going to pay $20 to buy a non-programmable sound card and play Beatles songs at a wedding with this thing?!

It may come down to me having to figure out wtf I have that's GM capable and using only that.

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:26 am

i looked at it some more and edited my reply above. anyway, it doesn't look like 14, 15, and 16 are sending any chord notes, just C notes and nonsensical pitch bend. so i would try blocking those completely.

if you haven't already, i would try listening to each channel one at a time to see which notes you really want.

this is weird... using pitch bend to change chords doesn't make any sense. and i don't understand why blocking pitch bend would cause hanging notes.

i think i could understand it better with a midi file, and i could try filtering it myself...

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:36 am

Hmm I'm not explaining this right.

I shall capture midi. Oddly I assumed til I tried it that that's what the midimonitor update did, though in retrospect that's silly. I'm having on-again-off-again wifi thus the snatchy attention to this.

Jebus, you rock piz. I talked about you at an informal speech about the new world of digital music online today.

I just can't seem to be analytical about this. My plug-ins, yes. But hardware just muddles my brain somehow.

bbiab

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