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bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:15 pm

You know it! Hey: I think Daniel may be the PlugNazi!! Best plugs in the world, but if you ask slightly the wrong way...

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:04 am

Plugin Nazzi looooooooooooll

What happened? someone requested a change and he retired from coding?

Maybe we can find the source code in that old cabinet he has in his basement!!

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:24 am

Folks, please, keep the nazi thing out of the way.
Over here on the other side of the pond this has a sad meaning connected to millions of dead people.
No connection whatever to Daniel afaics.
Peace,
susiwong

freddemillio · Post by **freddemillio** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:13 am

susiwong wrote:Folks, please, keep the nazi thing out of the way.
Over here on the other side of the pond this has a sad meaning connected to millions of dead people.
No connection whatever to Daniel afaics.
Peace,
susiwong

+1

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:16 am

+1, also, if you put hope on daniel's comeback one day, that isn't exactly the way to do it, if you ask me ...

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:51 am

Agreed. He does still have his plugins up for download so I'd go easy on him. He has contributed a lot of great free plugins. He has earned a certain amount of respect for that if nothing else.

Optomadic · Post by **Optomadic** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:54 pm

afaict it all came down to the 2094 plugin.

I belive Daniel got fedup with it all because another dev went ahead without permission and developed an exact clone of it. Perhaps this was done purposly to stop the whole teasing Daniel was doing with 94. Then again depending on how hard he was working on it, that would piss me off too.

The thing that sucks is that after the whole fiasco, even the clone was not made available

. So it ended up being a lose lose for everyone in the end.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:09 pm

Well as you are not allowed to use them in any project that happens to make any money.. ever, then perhaps not so much was lost after all? I don't know about you guys but I can never say for certain if a project ends up being commercial or not. Most songs I start to work on simply for my own enjoyment. Many have ended up on somebody else's commercial work because they happened to like it and asked for permission to use it.

I just deleted all the TLS plugins as I didn't realize Daniel was so strict with the terms of usage. IMHO the terms of use are complete bull crap, though I do realize his apparent point but it's way flawed non the less.

Cheers!
bManic

Optomadic · Post by **Optomadic** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:10 pm

bduffy wrote:
Optomadic wrote:
bduffy wrote:...he may appear one day with a full-blown sequencer!
DynaStepper! Cant wait

MyFirstSequencer!!

Actually Jer you were right it was called Parseq Dreamer ES-1 or something..

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:37 pm

Toonman · Post by **Toonman** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:22 pm

bmanic wrote:Well as you are not allowed to use them in any project that happens to make any money.. ever, then perhaps not so much was lost after all? I don't know about you guys but I can never say for certain if a project ends up being commercial or not. Most songs I start to work on simply for my own enjoyment. Many have ended up on somebody else's commercial work because they happened to like it and asked for permission to use it.

I just deleted all the TLS plugins as I didn't realize Daniel was so strict with the terms of usage. IMHO the terms of use are complete bull crap, though I do realize his apparent point but it's way flawed non the less.

Cheers!
bManic

Awww, crap... here's what the User Agreement states...

"This plugin is FREEWARE.

You are allowed to use it for personal use only.
You are not allowed to re-copy or sell the dll file for money or include the dll
on compilation CDs e.c.t"

I must say that this is very loose wording. However, given the "personal use" statement there, I think I'm going to have to delete them too. It's a pity, really... I do like them a lot. But as you, I never know where some of my work might end up. It really puzzles me... why not just limit the plugins to not allowing re-sale/re-distribution, but let you do whatever you want with them? AFAIK, most freeware works like that...

Ah, well... I'll have to go through some of my mixes and replace all instances of these guys I spot... too bad...

jdt · Post by **jdt** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:42 pm

How many people out there include VST .dll files on their CDs? All that wording says to me is that you can't re-distribute the VST, or any part of the code, the GUI, the name etc., not that you can't use the plugin as part of a creative process or a final mastered project. They are just protecting their property rights. And when it all boils down, are you actually able to tell which plugin was used on which tune? I think not. The user agreement is being twisted out of the scope of it's intention.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:43 pm

Can't you guys read??

Toonman wrote:here's what the User Agreement states...

"This plugin is FREEWARE.

You are allowed to use it for personal use only.
You are not allowed to re-copy or sell the dll file for money or include the dll
on compilation CDs e.c.t"

I must say that this is very loose wording. However, given the "personal use" statement there, I think I'm going to have to delete them too. It's a pity, really... I do like them a lot. But as you, I never know where some of my work might end up. It really puzzles me... why not just limit the plugins to not allowing re-sale/re-distribution, but let you do whatever you want with them? AFAIK, most freeware works like that...

This only describes what you can and cannot do with the .dll file. It does not say anything about using it in personal or commercial projects: the music made using it.

Toonman wrote:Ah, well... I'll have to go through some of my mixes and replace all instances of these guys I spot... too bad...

As I read it, you can continue using it. Only the .dll file may not be redistributed.

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:55 pm

insertpizhere wrote:

That's what I was going to say.

jdt · Post by **jdt** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:59 pm

Exactly, BertKoor! I think too much is being read into it. And if the intention was to not allow a plugin's usage in commercial projects, they better do a much better job of wording the user agreement...stated as is no court would even waste their time hearing a case on that basis.

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