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adl · Post by **adl** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:41 pm

andy_cytomic wrote:
adl wrote:Can anybody point me to the soundsamples somebody made using "the glue" in normal stereo and in "unlink mode" ?

Thanx!
There are a few people on the thread that have used two instances of The Glue to do this, but there is no unlink mode in The Glue itself. I'll leave it to those people, if they have time and feel the inclination, to post some examples.

Andrew Simper

I know ( i OWN the glue already). I just don't know how to set it up myselfe in Ableton Live to do this 2x mono thing to get the "unlinked" sound. Compared to UAD's 4K buss comp the glue just narrows down the stereo field pretty much and i was wondering if a unlink button (wich you said you may add in the future) prevent that behavior.
Someone did post a sample and i can't find it anymore (damn 104 pages

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pough · Post by **pough** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:51 pm

adl wrote:Someone did post a sample and i can't find it anymore (damn 104 pages )

It's 105 now and you've only got yourself to blame.

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:05 pm

adl wrote:I know ( i OWN the glue already). I just don't know how to set it up myselfe in Ableton Live to do this 2x mono thing to get the "unlinked" sound. Compared to UAD's 4K buss comp the glue just narrows down the stereo field pretty much and i was wondering if a unlink button (wich you said you may add in the future) prevent that behavior.
Someone did post a sample and i can't find it anymore (damn 104 pages )

FYI: The Glue does not narrow the stereo field, it preserves it completely. The other processors are probably widening the stereo field.

Andrew Simper

sellmestory · Post by **sellmestory** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:29 pm

Your totally right Andy,the stereo image is intact!

I have not compared the Glue to anything,no need to. I have mixed music
for 20 years and the Glue does a great job;I dont care what it compares to.
Its simply just a great compressor!

Sellmestory

sureno · Post by **sureno** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:43 pm

sellmestory wrote:Your totally right Andy,the stereo image is intact!

I have not compared the Glue to anything,no need to. I have mixed music
for 20 years and the Glue does a great job;I dont care what it compares to.
Its simply just a great compressor!

Sellmestory

well said, have to fully agree

RawTech · Post by **RawTech** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:44 pm

i also can not confirm that it narrows the stereo field. the glue changes nothing.

adl · Post by **adl** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:07 pm

andy_cytomic wrote:
adl wrote:I know ( i OWN the glue already). I just don't know how to set it up myselfe in Ableton Live to do this 2x mono thing to get the "unlinked" sound. Compared to UAD's 4K buss comp the glue just narrows down the stereo field pretty much and i was wondering if a unlink button (wich you said you may add in the future) prevent that behavior.
Someone did post a sample and i can't find it anymore (damn 104 pages )
FYI: The Glue does not narrow the stereo field, it preserves it completely. The other processors are probably widening the stereo field.

Andrew Simper

Hmmmm...never thought of that.
Will have another look at that, but when i switch between "the glue" and the UAD 4K an can clearly tell which is which only by focusing on whats happening to the stereo field. Will have another listening where i also will focus on the original stereofield of the track

EDIT:
Ok, i tried again and focused on the original stereofield of the track and must admit, that the glue is NOT narrowing down the stereofield

I down't know what the UAD 4K does but it seems to enhance reverbs quiet nice and so produces some kind of wideness / "more open" sounding effect.

Sorry Andrew, didn't mean to talk bad about "the glue", i really like the flexibility you gave us with the enhancements such as "range" and highpassfilter, which really comes in handy for me (doing techhouse stuff) as i like my lows to be less compressed than the mids and highs (at least on a busscompressor).

I was just experiencing the stereofield differences compared with the UAD Busscomp but thats cleared now for me.
Really looking forward to the official release and the coming updates

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:36 pm

adl wrote:...
I down't know what the UAD 4K does but it seems to enhance reverbs quiet nice and so produces some kind of wideness / "more open" sounding effect...

If you have a chance I would appreciate you could please post a short section of song as an uncompressed .aif or .wav audio file and also the same thing being compressed by the UAD 4K. I am interested to hear what they are doing. I can then also process the same file with The Glue and post the results for everyone to listen to. You can email me via kvr, but I understand if you're too busy to do it.

Andrew Simper

adl · Post by **adl** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:06 pm

Hi Andrew,
here a short sample i did:

-4K UAD
-the glue
-none plugin

http://www.sendspace.com/file/j80yam
(~10mb)

or
http://www.file-upload.net/download-155 ... e.rar.html
(same files as above)

I tried to match the volume (at least for glue and 4K).

Equal settings:
Attack: 10mS
shortest Release
Ratio 4:1
Compression about 8dB max
Range was set to 40 (i guess...maybe it was about 20 not sure)

It's not to obvious, but if i close my eyes and skip between glue and 4K, the UAD just sounds wider and i can pick it right always.
Compared to the original track without any plugin (sample called "none") the glue does not narrow down the stereofield as i thought earlier, it seems that the 4K just ads a bit more space to the mix.

Again: it's not very much, but it's there ( at least to my ears

)

RawTech · Post by **RawTech** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:19 pm

@adl: nice sample, i like that style

... and yes the UAD adds a little more space to the stereofield and makes it a little more brilliant i think. but its very subtle.

scoobz · Post by **scoobz** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:31 pm

Yep, it's definintely there. Pick out the reverb on the percussion. Maybe there's a tiny bit of m/s going on, who knows?!

I'm sure andy has modelled his unit perfectly and at the end of the day it's down to personal preference. I know alot of people have suggested a dual mono mode, maybe that would make it optionally similar to the 4k. If it bothers AndyC I'm sure he'll address it, I'm all up for having more flexible tools!

Besides, it'd be boring if they were both exactly the same!

adl · Post by **adl** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:41 pm

Phew...good to hear that other people hear it too

And there is no M/S going on, i used the new UAD Time Cooper delay Unit (damn nice!), the Plate 140 reverb (also UAD) and the IK Classic studio reverb.
Ah and good old kjaerhus classic delay.

Also i could bring up the bass more upfront with turning up the highpasssfilter on the glue but for better comparison i'd left that down, so again: glue = much more flexible.

KennaOkoye · Post by **KennaOkoye** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:49 pm

Waves 4k vs. The Glue, anyone got any words?

scoobz · Post by **scoobz** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:55 pm

You're a funny one Kenna

You post before you read.

Anyway, adl, I wasn't saying it was anything you'd done, I meant maybe the m/s balance inside the 4k plugin was different, kind of a "super secret/undercover" betterizer lol Pure speculation on my part, everything I said above still stands

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:15 am

adl wrote:Phew...good to hear that other people hear it too
And there is no M/S going on...

I think he just meant that the UAD 4K could be doing some M/S processing and bringing up the side channel a bit. If you listen to it, it makes the mix sound wider, which is odd. I wouldn't be surprised if under the hood there was something going on that brings up the sides.

Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor