Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Dean,

That's happened to me before, nightmare, hope you didn't lose too much and get up and running again soon.

I just wanted to make sure, incase I misunderstood you, you can still download a trial version to try on your backup machine in the meantime

http://cytomic.com/Beta/The_Glue_Beta_Info.html

Yunno, just to tide you over

Anyways has anyone heard my lil tweak above yet?

Did just that my friend after writing the previous post i wrote
Going to get busy with Teh Glue later on today

Yeah the only thing i have lost with the dead hard drive is time really as i am pretty sharp with backing things up. The only pain in the arse will be reinstalling everything. I used a Linux Ubuntu distro to copy everything of the dead drive too so i can compare folder to folder as the Disc image might be a week or so earlier than when the drive went down (i use that amazingly simple 'Acronis True Image' application for all my backup duties). So yeah i can run audio apps on this backup machine for now but it aint a patch on the other audio machine but i will/am getting by

Cheers mate and take care

Dean/Nekro

[andy-cytomic]

Anyone got the glue (v1.09) working in sidechain mode? I tried it with a quadra group channel with the glue inserted and routed the kick to the second stereo pair (Ls Rs) of the quadra group channel and e.g. string to the first stereo pair. Then pushed the Ext in button. I tested it with Cubase 4 & 5 but the glue seems not to respond. I also do not see the needle moving at all. (Intel Core 2 CPU 6600 @ 2.4 GHz & WinXP SP2 with 2 GB RAM)

Edit: Just to make sure that I did nothing wrong I replaced the glue with Slim slow slider sidechain plugin (http://www.geocities.jp/webmaster_of_sss/vst/) and the sidechain worked.

Someone else has reported that this is still broken as well. I have got someone to test that a fix I made worked, but this didn't make it into the 1.0.9 build. I'll make sure it makes it into the 1.0.10 build.

Andrew Simper

[andy-cytomic]

Hi Andrew,
here a short sample i did:

-4K UAD
-the glue
-none plugin

http://www.sendspace.com/file/j80yam
(~10mb)

or
http://www.file-upload.net/download-155 ... e.rar.html
(same files as above)

I tried to match the volume (at least for glue and 4K).

Equal settings:
Attack: .10
shortest Release
Compression about 8dB max
Range was set to 40 (i guess...maybe it was about 20 not sure)

It's not to obvious, but if i close my eyes and skip between glue and 4K, the UAD just sounds wider and i can pick it right always.
Compared to the original track without any plugin (sample called "none") the glue does not narrow down the stereofield as i thought earlier, it seems that the 4K just ads a bit more space to the mix.

Again: it's not very much, but it's there ( at least to my ears )

Thanks for posting these. What ratio did you use?

Andrew Simper

[Franzel]

So nobody else having problems with sidechaining in Cubase 4.5.2 with v. 1.09?
Windows XP SP3, P4 HT 3.2 GHz, RME HDSP9632.

Gotta rattle the sidechains just a little.....

[adl]

@ Andrew:
sorry, totally forgot:

4:1

[andy-cytomic]

Also by .10 attack do you mean 10 mS ?

Andrew Simper

[mystran]

@ Andrew:
sorry, totally forgot:

4:1

UAD sounds kinda like it was running in dual mono though I can't tell for sure, not from this sort of compression with material like that; with higher volume transients on the sides it gets easier to tell dual mono setup because of more obvious tilting.. that's the bad part.. the good part of dual mono is that it does liven stereo image if you don't have any problematic stuff on the sides that would cause an obvious tilt.

You can easily test if I'm right or not: mix a sustaining pad type sound and a drum hit (kick does fine) such that the drum causes does obvious pumping in the compressor, then pan the drum hard to one of the sides, and listen to the other side. With stereo coupling the pad should still pump on both channels, with dual mono it will stay steady on the channel where it's alone. With partial coupling the result is something in between.

[adl]

Also by .10 attack do you mean 10 mS ?

Andrew Simper

Yes, 10mS.


(Just edited my previous post by adding the Ratiosetting and changing the .10 into 10mS.)

[adl]

You can easily test if I'm right or not: mix a sustaining pad type sound and a drum hit (kick does fine) such that the drum causes does obvious pumping in the compressor, then pan the drum hard to one of the sides, and listen to the other side. With stereo coupling the pad should still pump on both channels, with dual mono it will stay steady on the channel where it's alone. With partial coupling the result is something in between.

Just tried it with the UAD 4K Buss Comp and it pumps on both sides, so there is no dual mono thing going on with the 4K.

Anyway thanx for the tip!

[mystran]

You can easily test if I'm right or not: mix a sustaining pad type sound and a drum hit (kick does fine) such that the drum causes does obvious pumping in the compressor, then pan the drum hard to one of the sides, and listen to the other side. With stereo coupling the pad should still pump on both channels, with dual mono it will stay steady on the channel where it's alone. With partial coupling the result is something in between.

Just tried it with the UAD 4K Buss Comp and it pumps on both sides, so there is no dual mono thing going on with the 4K.

Anyway thanx for the tip!

Ah ok. Must be different stereo summing or something then, unless they really do something fancy.

[scoobz]

did you guys miss my post on the last page? I tweaked the glue to sound like the uad

the link again....

http://www.sendspace.com/file/odle13

Both the glue and uad are in this example, the glue got a 0.3 boost in stereo info and two tiny eq adjustments (less than 0.4 db) can you tell which half is which?

[Franzel]

Anyone got the glue (v1.09) working in sidechain mode? I tried it with a quadra group channel with the glue inserted and routed the kick to the second stereo pair (Ls Rs) of the quadra group channel and e.g. string to the first stereo pair. Then pushed the Ext in button. I tested it with Cubase 4 & 5 but the glue seems not to respond. I also do not see the needle moving at all. (Intel Core 2 CPU 6600 @ 2.4 GHz & WinXP SP2 with 2 GB RAM)

Edit: Just to make sure that I did nothing wrong I replaced the glue with Slim slow slider sidechain plugin (http://www.geocities.jp/webmaster_of_sss/vst/) and the sidechain worked.

Same here in Cubase 4.5.2.

[adl]

did you guys miss my post on the last page? I tweaked the glue to sound like the uad

the link again....

http://www.sendspace.com/file/odle13

Both the glue and uad are in this example, the glue got a 0.3 boost in stereo info and two tiny eq adjustments (less than 0.4 db) can you tell which half is which?

Ups, sorry

Holy crap you matched it really perfect!

What plugin did you use for the widening?

[michu]

did you guys miss my post on the last page? I tweaked the glue to sound like the uad

the link again....

http://www.sendspace.com/file/odle13

Both the glue and uad are in this example, the glue got a 0.3 boost in stereo info and two tiny eq adjustments (less than 0.4 db) can you tell which half is which?

scoobz, can i ask you to make a simple test with uad?
if you could run something like sin into left channel and cos (90 deg apart) into right channel it should draw a perfect circle on a goniometer with correlation meter hovering around 90 deg. i run the test with the glue and no matter what i did i could not make it distort the stereo image.

[Franzel]

Anyone got the glue (v1.09) working in sidechain mode? I tried it with a quadra group channel with the glue inserted and routed the kick to the second stereo pair (Ls Rs) of the quadra group channel and e.g. string to the first stereo pair. Then pushed the Ext in button. I tested it with Cubase 4 & 5 but the glue seems not to respond. I also do not see the needle moving at all. (Intel Core 2 CPU 6600 @ 2.4 GHz & WinXP SP2 with 2 GB RAM)

Edit: Just to make sure that I did nothing wrong I replaced the glue with Slim slow slider sidechain plugin (http://www.geocities.jp/webmaster_of_sss/vst/) and the sidechain worked.

Same here in Cubase 4.5.2.

Oh well, this thread is the Bermuda Triangle or what?
One desperate last try for this message in a bottle to reach the shore...