Why is Sonar still treated like the underdog?

[loggan2]

how come i upgraded to sonar 6, 7 and after 8 directly from cakewalk? ;-] i guess you will just have to believe on me.

lg

[Stupid American Pig]

SONAR RULEZ and people who disagree are totally stupid. YAAAY USA! FU BRITS, suck it easy!

CUBARSE SUCKS yer protoolz while you jam yer FL STUDIO TOY IN YER ARSE REAPER as you samplitude a big dongle in yer MOUTH FTW!!!111!!1!!

[jdt]

Heh heh! Well there's a mouthful from Stupid American Pig... don't hafta guess where he stands on the issue eh?

[neverfall]

What EXACTLY has Cakewalk done to distinguish Sonar from the rest of the pack?

Well, by that logic, how does any of the pack distinguish themselves?

I'd argue that the v8 of Sonar offers the highest quality virtual instruments of any DAW. A lot of bang for the buck. Also, it was the first to offer 64-bit support (and still may be the only one?)

Nope. Don't do that. I know you ought to realize this is a setup...


Let's not play stupid now. It's not as if Sonar hasn't played the role of Cubase's little bitch since Day 1 right? I could mention Ableton, and I'm sure you'd know EXACTLY which FEATURE Ableton employs to set "Live" apart from the rest. I could mention REAPER...and you'd know. FL STUDIO? YOU'D KNOW. At least I hope you would...


So again I ask...what separates SONAR from the rest? 64-bit support? Okay. A lot of bang for the buck? Highest quality VI's? Ever heard of Logic?


Not arguing though...I'll give you 64-bit support since I was expecting that answer. Really though? is that all?

[Arglebargle]

Wow, that's really great, you don't like Sonar. Bravo!

[Arglebargle]

I personally think Cubase is totally vanilla, Reaper's interface sucks, FL fails for me as it doesn't have good recording/audio support, Live's "live" features are similarly useless for me (as well as not doing recording), Macs suck so Logic is out of the question.

See, we all have our own opinions!

[neverfall]

Wow, that's really great, you don't like Sonar. Bravo!

Sonar wasn't for me. I'd really love to sell my copy of V.6, but unfortunately I can't. I've just always been under the impression that for years Sonar has been playing catch-up to Cubase. From what I've read I think it's finally accomplished that feat by V.7 by improving its midi features.


I could be wrong, but maybe that's one particular reason why Sonar is still seen as the underdog. It's always had to stand in Cubase's shadow.

[dougsyo]

Yeh Dave

i contacted cakewalk and here's what they said..

no refund whether credit card or not was used..they say how are we to know that you did'nt keep a copy for yourself...

That's one of the stupidest thing I've ever read, and a frigging insult.

Unfortunately, people DO do this. IIRC, on some credit card orders, ImageLine releases a temp expiration code.

Ok, here: http://support.image-line.com/knowledge ... =35&ans=38

Back to the original topic:

One reason why some people put Sonar down is it's Windows-only.

The reason I didn't upgrade to version 8 is I already have all of the bundled instruments, and the remaining features didn't appeal to me over V7 that I already have.

Sonar offers a demo. Use it. If you bought without trying the demo, shame on you.

I'm glad they haven't dongled Sonar. I don't mind the no-resale policy.

Doug

[whyterabbyt]

Really though? is that all?

First full host with no limits on tracks, number of virtual instrument, number of insert or send effects?
First full host with unlimited, fully configurable buses?
First full host with ACID style looping for audio and/or MIDI clips?
First full host with full PDC on all tracks and buses?
First full host with support for MIDI-processing plugins?
First full host with built-in pitch correction?
First full host with built in non-destructive, multi-track audio quantization?
First full host with fully configurable dynamic control surface to plugin parameter mapping?
And as you say, 64-bit first host to run on 64-bit, first host with a 64-bit audio engine, first host to support 64-bit plugins, first host to support 32-bit plugins in a 64bit OS etc.
Nah, nothing really. That's why most of that sort of stuff gets copied by the other host developers.

[Arglebargle]

Wow, that's really great, you don't like Sonar. Bravo!

Sonar wasn't for me. I'd really love to sell my copy of V.6, but unfortunately I can't. I've just always been under the impression that for years Sonar has been playing catch-up to Cubase. From what I've read I think it's finally accomplished that feat by V.7 by improving its midi features.


I could be wrong, but maybe that's one particular reason why Sonar is still seen as the underdog. It's always had to stand in Cubase's shadow.

Seriously, what does Cubase do that Sonar doesn't? (other than having a dongle? ) It seems that Cubase has been stagnating while Sonar has been aggressively improved over the past few years.

Personally Sonar does all the MIDI and audio tasks I require, so it's all right by me.

[neverfall]

I personally think Cubase is totally vanilla, Reaper's interface sucks, FL fails for me as it doesn't have good recording/audio support, Live's "live" features are similarly useless for me (as well as not doing recording), Macs suck so Logic is out of the question.

See, we all have our own opinions!

Funny thing is your "opinions" are a bigger deal than "the first to offer 64-bit support".

That's actually not funny. Quite sad really.

[Arglebargle]

Really though? is that all?

First full host with no limits on tracks, number of virtual instrument, number of insert or send effects?
First full host with unlimited, fully configurable buses?
First full host with ACID style looping for audio and/or MIDI clips?
First full host with full PDC on all tracks and buses?
First full host with support for MIDI-processing plugins?
First full host with built-in pitch correction?
First full host with built in non-destructive, multi-track audio quantization?
First full host with fully configurable dynamic control surface to plugin parameter mapping?
And as you say, 64-bit first host to run on 64-bit, first host with a 64-bit audio engine, first host to support 64-bit plugins, first host to support 32-bit plugins in a 64bit OS etc.
Nah, nothing really. That's why most of that sort of stuff gets copied by the other host developers.

Thanks for that, yeah, Sonar's got nothing going for it.

[neverfall]

Really though? is that all?

First full host with no limits on tracks, number of virtual instrument, number of insert or send effects?
First full host with unlimited, fully configurable buses?
First full host with ACID style looping for audio and/or MIDI clips?
First full host with full PDC on all tracks and buses?
First full host with support for MIDI-processing plugins?
First full host with built-in pitch correction?
First full host with built in non-destructive, multi-track audio quantization?
First full host with fully configurable dynamic control surface to plugin parameter mapping?
And as you say, 64-bit first host to run on 64-bit, first host with a 64-bit audio engine, first host to support 64-bit plugins, first host to support 32-bit plugins in a 64bit OS etc.
Nah, nothing really. That's why most of that sort of stuff gets copied by the other host developers.

Educate me on something...


If you're using a 64-bit system then is it impossible to rewire Project 5 to Sonar?


Being that both tools are Cakewalk products...ummm isn't that a bit well...silly?



Yes...this 64-bit Sonar feature is looking mighty spectacular! They did finally fix that midi preview issue right?

[Arglebargle]

I personally think Cubase is totally vanilla, Reaper's interface sucks, FL fails for me as it doesn't have good recording/audio support, Live's "live" features are similarly useless for me (as well as not doing recording), Macs suck so Logic is out of the question.

See, we all have our own opinions!

Funny thing is your "opinions" are a bigger deal than "the first to offer 64-bit support".

That's actually not funny. Quite sad really.

My point was I can easily find fault with other DAWs. I can easily find ways in which they fail compared to Sonar. But I don't wander into other DAW threads scratching my head and saying, "gee, what does this program offer compared to others?" I leave them alone.

[whyterabbyt]

Educate me on something...

If you're using a 64-bit system then is it impossible to rewire Project 5 to Sonar?
Being that both tools are Cakewalk products...ummm isn't that a bit well...silly?
Yes...this 64-bit Sonar feature is looking mighty spectacular!

Goalpost shifting, then?

Is it your expectation that I can answer for Cakewalk? Are you trying to ply that my failure to do so would somehow discredit my previous answer?

Is it your inference that the existence of a specific Rewire issue (or indeed any other bug, or lack of point-by-point feature parity) somehow negates an answer to a completely unrelated question?

Is it your contention that none of the above features could ever have been considered to 'set Sonar apart from the rest' as you actually asked?

Can you let me know why you are blaming Cakewalk for an incompatibility in a technology which is not their own, given that Rewire is a technology which is licensed from Propellorheads.

Can you refer to any tests which have been done to establish which other 64-bit application will Rewire to other 32-bit applications?